That would be sidewinder.
And fyi, I do believe throwing heavy object is one of the best way to get a "new" player to feel how a throw should feel (ish). But you do you man.
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The Power of Posture
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And fyi, I do believe throwing heavy object is one of the best way to get a "new" player to feel how a throw should feel (ish). But you do you man.
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They didn't use pool cues back then but here's Climo saying putting is like "throwing a phone book on a table" from like 2002.
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^and Kenny likes to say that he grips the disc the same way he grips a fork. Clearly he was able to apply things he was already familiar with to DG.
I appreciate the various training tools that are intended to help those of us who couldn't make those connections on our own.
I appreciate the various training tools that are intended to help those of us who couldn't make those connections on our own.
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The way to settle this coach battle is to pit your students against eachother.
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Ken worked as a carpenter framing homes as his day job throughout his disc golf career, so I think he was quite familiar with hammers.
Ken Climo:
"On to wrist snap. Hold the disc and your wrist firm and solid like you would hold a hammer to drive a nail. Keep everything firm throughout your throwing motion and then uncock at the point of release. Just a short powerful movement. Think about this: You wouldn't bend a hammer all the way back with your wrist to get more snap or power would you? You just hold it straight out in front of you and drop it. Bam! It's the same thing for the release power in the snap. You see people cock their disc[wrist] and get their elbow up in a big knot and it's unnatural."
Sheep
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this and the other feldberg clinic are probably 2 of the best clinics on youtube.
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I'm a sucker for hypotheticals. Who would be in your pick 6? I know there are a lot of coaches on here as well so feel free to not to rank them (or do).
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That's unfair and not an accurate representation of Blake. Honestly, if you read DGR back in the day like I did, you would know that Blake wasn't a huckster or ignorant to what he was talking about. Dan Beto is a student of Blake's and he would tell you that Blake helped him throw further.
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I think just about every coach here tries hard to help people throw better and for the most part they do probably yield their students results.
Youtube coaches are a different story.
Wait. Aren't a bunch of the coaches on here on YouTube? Like SW22, Brychanus, and Sheep? What is the distinction you're making?
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The point he's making is that the "youtube coaches" wont come in here and talk shop. Because a lot of their idea's are silly and wont stand up to scrutiny.
I see. That just leads me to more questions but I don't want to hijack OPs thread anymore than I already am.
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Totally makes sense to me. X-step also requires me to be more quick & nimble on my feet moving sideways than I ever did before, and make an athletic transition to move the light object, which is also completely different than anything I'd done before. E.g., I got decent at some dances and martial arts which helped me with forward movement and rotation/centrifugal moves, but had few to no moves moving so extremely sideways. Back in HS I was also the slowest runner in gym class by a significant margin. It has definitely helped moving from raw strength training mostly that help me get foot to foot in balance and with force/resistance. Also has helped having a combo of heavy objects warming up like a batter and then lighter objects I can move faster and faster.
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When I hear you talk about moving sometimes, I giggle inside a bit.
Cause not everyone just naturally is athletic, but the way you talk about it is that you had 2 left feet that think they are right feet, but also identify as broken feet and anything in your path, including air, makes you trip.
It's just the way you always explain it that makes me think that you trip while standing still because you thought about tripping.
(Good lord tell me none of that silliness in my head is true)
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Funny - it's not quite that bad, but it really isn't too far from the truth, dude. In childhood, I once broke my own leg in a spiral fracture trying to rotate to avoid a car in a parking lot (no, I wasn't hit, and no, the car wasn't moving fast) and concussed myself on a Slip-n-Slide. Now you know a little more about why I am the weird way that I am
Though I try to keep the writing in my "day job" much more on topic, I've learned not to fight the currents around here
I have a few other hypotheses:
1. Their personhood, ideas, and discussion are not always received cordially (and often with overt hostility). I occasionally receive some nasty words in my day job, but the average level of hostility from some people in some DGCR threads is often far worse and very offputting to some people.***
2. DGCR is a fairly small and niche community that discusses form at a level of detail rarely encountered elsewhere. Its content and discourse is strongly influenced by a small number of users. There is a large language and concept barrier to interacting with much of its content.
3. The average user age here is much higher than most other DG communities. The "center mass" of the social media war for clicks and views is mostly somewhere else. I liked the DGCR refresh and hope it helped, but it also doesn't seem like the kids will come rushing.
4. For various reasons, there is often a tendency to demote the opinions or lived experiences of people who learned to throw 500, 600, and 700' in DGCR. When outside users encounter DGCR content, they perceive that they are interacting with a bunch of cranky 300' throwers in an echo chamber (not my words, and I've heard it more than once).
***I'm a fan of Rapoport's rules.
sillybizz has a point. Though I might fail to come across this way sometimes, I really still am just here to learn and my logorrhea is a symptom of that (and I just enjoy nerding about form). I have come a long way since joining here & with SW's and occasionally others' input. I now realize that I may never reach my original personal goals for DG and form and I'm at peace with that. Form mechanics and form development have become a major part of my hobby and minor part of my career. If I see or hear something that doesn't add up to my current understanding and own development, I usually look into it further on my own and weigh all sources. Everyone is entitled to their own choices and outcomes.
Anyone want to just talk about posture again?
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No. Just kiddingFunny - it's not quite that bad, but it really isn't too far from the truth, dude. In childhood, I once broke my own leg in a spiral fractrure trying to rotate to avoid a car in a parking lot (no, I wasn't hit, and no, the car wasn't moving fast) and concussed myself on a Slip-n-Slide. Now you know a little more about why I am the weird way that I am
Though I try to keep my "day job" threads much more on topic, I've learned not to fight the currents around here
I have a few other hypotheses:
1. Their personhood, ideas, and discussion are not always received cordially (and often with overt hostility). I occasionally receive some nasty words in my day job in blind peer review, but the average level of hostility from some people in some DGCR threads is often far worse and very offputting to some people.***
2. DGCR is a fairly small and niche community that discusses form at a level of detail rarely encountered elsewhere. Its content and discourse is strongly influenced by a small number of users. There is a large language and concept barrier to interacting with much of its content.
3. The average user age here is much higher than most other DG communities, and the "center mass" of the war for clicks and views is mostly somewhere else. I liked the DGCR refresh and hope it helped, but it also doesn't seem like the kids will come rushing.
4. For various reasons, there is often a tendency to demote the opinions or lived experiences of people who learned to throw 500, 600, and 700' in DGCR. When outside users encounter DGCR content, they perceive that they are interacting with a bunch of cranky 300' throwers in an echo chamber (not my words, and I've heard it more than once).
***I'm a fan of Rapoport's rules.
sillybizz has a point. Though I might fail to come across this way sometimes, I really still am just here to learn and my logorrhea is a symptom of that (and I just enjoy nerding about form). I have come a long way since joining here & with SW's and occasionally others' input. I now realize that I may never reach my original personal goals for DG and form and I'm at peace with that. Form mechanics and form development have become a major part of my hobby and minor part of my career. If I see or hear something that doesn't add up to my current understanding and own development, I usually look into it further on my own and weigh all sources. Everyone is entitled to their own choices and outcomes.
Anyone want to just talk about posture again?
Yesterday I threw bags with sawdust up into a container. They weight roughly 20-40 pounds and I noticed I automatically brace, have a way better upright hyzer lean, instead of curling myself into a pretzel (when I throw a disc) and they swing generally just feels SO good..
Would be awesome if I could throw a disc like that.. one day .
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Funny - it's not quite that bad, but it really isn't too far from the truth, dude. In childhood, I once broke my own leg in a spiral fractrure trying to rotate to avoid a car in a parking lot (no, I wasn't hit, and no, the car wasn't moving fast) and concussed myself on a Slip-n-Slide. Now you know a little more about why I am the weird way that I am
I'm at a loss for words.
But now I see why some of the things are a bit more of a struggle as you describe them.
