Well, we could have higher scoring holes without more land, if we just used much smaller baskets. But I'm not about to mention that, and be responsible for what may follow.
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What if MPO had to face a 12,585 foot wooded course that averages 71 throws? Would that be tolerable?
If the goal for MPO is for par to hover near SSA (1000), then the equivalent goal for FPO par would be FSA (930). So, the course was tougher for FPO at 965 on a comparable basis to MPO in this case.What do they average at Northwoods Black? It is considerably shorter but I am guessing the average is in that range. A course 2000 feet longer with the same average scores would be much easier on a per shot basis. Isn't average a bad metric anyway? Wouldn't SSA be more useful?
As to the women in Georgia- par was 965 rated so only the best of them are going to shoot par on any semi-regular basis. Is that too difficult? Once or twice a year- probably not, on a regular basis it may be.
If the goal for MPO is for par to hover near SSA (1000), then the equivalent goal for FPO par would be FSA (930). So, the course was tougher for FPO at 965 on a comparable basis to MPO in this case.
If the goal for MPO is for par to hover near SSA (1000), then the equivalent goal for FPO par would be FSA (930). So, the course was tougher for FPO at 965 on a comparable basis to MPO in this case.
The metric that players and spectators glom onto is clearly birdie count and shots under par versus ratings, which shouldn't be surprising. However, designers know that par is an unreliable indicator of course difficulty when you consider that a par 60 course can theoretically have an SSA that ranges from 51 to 69 if the designer goes to the extremes of all holes being easy birdies to all holes being tough pars. So, in order to cater to the audience relying on birdie count and over/under par as their metric, designers/TDs should set up the MPO/FPO courses so they are about 70 rating points apart. This way, the total par for both courses can be set the same such that -3 on the FPO layout will automatically mean roughly the same as -3 on the MPO layout and the top scores under par in MPO and FPO should be similar.I don't doubt that but every course is going to differ (as they should)- I took the gist of Steve"s question as "was the women's course too hard?" I don't necessarily believe it was.
Since there are several methods to determine par, what method was used to determine par at Jackson for MPO and FPO? Was MPO the par on the signs that the course designer set?
As the director, did Robert Leonard/ MTL have the final say on the pars for MPO and FPO?
1000-1020 / 1000 Score / Course
4.19 73.94 2022 DGPT - Dynamic Discs Open | Emporia Country Club - ECC - 2022 MPO; 18 holes; Par 65; 10,977 ft.
4.00 67.66 2022 United States Disc Golf Championship & Throw Pink Women's Disc Golf Championship | Winthrop University Rec. Area - USDGC-(All Rds); 18 holes; Par 64; 9,819.5 ft.
3.78 69.72 2022 DGPT - OTB Open presented by MVP Disc Sports | Swenson Park Disc Golf Course - OTB Open AM - Blue; 18 holes; Par 66; 11,727 ft.
3.68 70.99 2022 Knowledge Management presents the Lake Marshall Open powered by Prodigy | Lake Marshall - The Lions - Lions Blue Silver Series; 18 holes; Par 71; 11,613 ft.
3.49 64.54 2022 PDGA Professional Disc Golf World Championships Presented by Dynamic Discs | Supreme 18 at Jones Park/Jones MPO
3.40 66.00 2022 PDGA Professional Disc Golf World Championships Presented by Dynamic Discs | Emporia Country Club/ECC MPO
3.36 72.89 2022 Discraft's Ledgestone Open | Northwood Black/Northwood Black, Par 68, 10499 ft
3.32 65.60 2022 Discraft's Ledgestone Open | Eureka Temp - Eureka Temp; 18 holes; Par 63; 9,665 ft.
3.32 65.25 ET#8 - PCS Sula Open 2022 - Presented by Innova | Langevåg Frisbeegolfarena - PCS Sula open 2022 Langevåg MPO; 18 holes; Par 62; 2,499 m = 8,199 ft
3.27 59.33 2022 DGPT - Las Vegas Challenge presented by Innova | Wildhorse Golf Club - Afternoon - 2022 LVC Course Innova Men; 18 holes; Par 61; 8,823 ft.
3.26 66.98 2022 Mid America Open DGPT Silver Series presented by Discraft | Harmony Bends Disc Golf at Strawn Park - Blue to Gold Pins; 18 holes; Par 68; 9,603 ft.
3.20 64.49 2022 (DGPT Silver) The New World Championship presented by Dynamic Discs | New World Disc Golf at Cecil Field - New World Championship MPO; 18 holes; Par 65; 10,309 ft.
3.18 64.51 2022 DGPT - Play It Again Sports Jonesboro Open powered by Prodigy | Disc Side of Heaven - Champ Course - MPO; 18 holes; Par 64; 9,995 ft.
3.15 67.18 2022 PDGA Champions Cup Presented by Bushnell | WR Jackson Memorial/Champions Cup Long MPO
3.12 66.31 2022 DGPT - Portland Open presented by Dynamic Discs | Glendoveer MPO - 2022 DGPT PDXO; 18 holes; Par 66; 11,260 ft.
3.02 63.89 2022 DGPT Playoffs - Discraft's Green Mountain Championship | Smugglers Notch Disc Golf Center - Fox Run - DGPT Playoffs - Fox Run MPO; 18 holes; Par 63; 9,496 ft.
3.01 64.56 2022 The Challenge @ Goat Hill Park - Presented by Innova | Goat Hill Park - MPO Layout for The Challenge - 2022; 18 holes; Par 68; 11,664 ft.
3.00 63.74 2022 ET#6 - Nokia Open | Nokia Open 2022 layout
2.94 69.55 2022 DGPT - LWS Open at Idlewild presented by Dynamic Discs & The Nati | Idlewild - LWS Open 2022 MPO; 18 holes; Par 69; 9,709 ft.
2.91 64.36 2022 DGPT - The Preserve Championship designed by Leiviska Disc Golf | Airborn Disc Golf Preserve - DGPT Black Bear MPO; 18 holes; Par 66; 10,896 ft.
2.86 60.26 2022 Memorial Championship presented by Discraft | Vista del Camino Park - PRO MEN-Vista XL 2022; 18 holes; Par 60; 8,596 ft.
2.86 66.16 2022 DGPT - Portland Open presented by Dynamic Discs | Blue Lake Disc Golf - 2022 DGPT Portland Open - MPO; 18 holes; Par 66; 10,220 ft.
2.84 59.75 2022 DGPT Playoffs - Discraft's Green Mountain Championship | Smugglers Notch Disc Golf Center - Brewster Ridge - DGPT Playoffs - Brewster MPO; 18 holes; Par 61; 7,997 ft.
2.84 59.16 Discraft presents the 2022 Beaver State Fling sponsored by Resistance Discs—DGPT Silver Series | Riverbend Disc Golf at Milo McIver State Park - Milo West MPO; 18 holes; Par 60; 8,681 ft.
2.81 63.42 2022 DGPT - The TruBank Des Moines Challenge presented by Discraft | Pickard Park - Pickard Gold ; 18 holes; Par 64; 9,626 ft.
2.79 64.03 2022 DGPT - 27th Annual Texas State Disc Golf Championship Presented by Latitude 64 | Thorn Long; 18 holes; Par 63; 9,772 ft.
2.79 53.80 2022 River City Open presented by Discraft - Pro | Earl W. Brewer Park - Gold Tees (MPO); 18 holes; Par 61; 8,279 ft.
2.79 59.43 2022 DGPT - Las Vegas Challenge presented by Innova | Wildhorse Golf Club - Afternoon - 2022 LVC Course Factory Men; 18 holes; Par 61; 9,000 ft.
2.74 63.47 2022 European Open presented by Discmania | Nokia Disc Golf Park - European Open 2022; 18 holes; Par 63; 2,771 m = 9,093 ft
2.73 58.09 2022 Santa Cruz Masters Cup (DGPT Silver Series) Presented by Innova Discs | DeLaveaga Golf Course - MPO Layout; 18 holes; Par 60; 8,631 ft.
2.62 59.27 2022 Gatekeeper Media presents The 303 Open sponsored by Discmania | Ultra DiscGolfPark - Anheuser-Busch Biergarten - 303 MPO/MP40; 18 holes; Par 63; 9,169 ft.
2.62 64.22 2022 DGPT - Waco Annual Charity Open presented by Prodigy Disc | Brazos Park East - Championship Layout MPO; 18 holes; Par 63; 7,990 ft.
2.56 70.36 2022 DGPT - Dynamic Discs Open | Supreme 18 at Jones Park - Supreme 18 - 2022 MPO; 18 holes; Par 65; 10,762 ft.
2.53 59.96 2022 Brent Hambrick Memorial Open | Brent Hambrick Memorial Disc Golf Course at Hoover Dam - Gold; 18 holes; Par 63; 8,190 ft.
2.49 62.88 Prodigy Disc Pro Tour 2022 - Heinola | Kippasuo DiscGolfPark - PRO - Championship layout; 18 holes; Par 64; 2,827 m
2.47 63.15 2022 MadeFirst presents the Dynamic Discs Music City Open - DGPT Silver Series | Mill Ridge Park - 2022 MCO Mill Ridge MPO; 18 holes; Par 64; 9,292 ft.
2.43 53.00 2022 Memorial Championship presented by Discraft | Fountain Hills Disc Golf Course - PRO MEN-Fountain Championship 2022; 18 holes; Par 56; 6,741 ft.
2.42 61.81 The 2022 Open at Tallahassee - DGPT Silver Series Presented by Dynamic Discs | Tom Brown Park - MPO 2022; 18 holes; Par 62; 8,895 ft.
2.41 57.14 2022 Shelly Sharpe Memorial presented by Spinners on the Green | Vista del Camino Park - PRO MEN-Vista XL 2022 Shelly; 18 holes; Par 60; 8,596 ft.
2.38 63.12 ET#8 - PCS Sula Open 2022 - Presented by Innova | Øverås Diskgolfpark - PCS Sula open 2022 Øverås MPO; 18 holes; Par 61; 2,569 m = 8,428 ft
2.37 59.40 2022 Discraft presents THE OPEN at BELTON, a DGPT Silver Series Event | Heritage Park Belton - The Open Course MPO; 18 holes; Par 60; 8,212 ft.
2.25 63.75 2022 DGPT - Discraft's Great Lakes Open | Toboggan MPO; 18 holes; Par 64; 10,763 ft.
2.23 60.29 2022 Prodigy Disc Pro Tour Oulu | Pikkarala Frisbeegolf - Prodigy Disc Pro Tour Oulu 2022; 18 holes; Par 63; 2,663 m
2.21 62.58 2022 DGPT - MVP Open at Maple Hill | Maple Hill - DGPT Playoffs - 2022 MVP Open Golds; 18 holes; Par 60; 8,577 ft.
2.20 54.19 2022 DGPT - Las Vegas Challenge presented by Innova | Wildhorse Golf Club - Afternoon - 2022 LVC Course Infinite Men; 18 holes; Par 57; 7,115 ft.
2.07 54.09 2022 Santa Cruz Masters Cup (DGPT Silver Series) Presented by Innova Discs | DeLaveaga Disc Golf Course - Silver Series Layout MPO; 18 holes; Par 54; 6,276 ft.
1.96 59.82 Discraft presents the 2022 Beaver State Fling sponsored by Resistance Discs—DGPT Silver Series | Riverbend Disc Golf at Milo McIver State Park - Milo East MPO; 18 holes; Par 61; 8,696 ft.
1.81 59.70 2022 EPT - Järva Open Powered by Prodigy | Järva Discgolf Park - EPT Järva Open 2022; 18 holes; Par 61; 2,632 m