@Sheep If I am ever in Nashville again and you tell me your shirt size, I will buy
you a shirt as long as you don't mind if it's a Marvel character (you get to pick!). And a 6-pack.
I'm assuming anyone even replying at this point is deeply passionate about our little frisbee game like me, so...
This is where people *should* be listening to me on what is going on. I explained it the nice way and I see that it was glossed over despite 3 pages of posts after I bounced in.
Getting on everyone's video...
FWIW:
@Sheep I saw what you said dude and was mostly trying to keep my head down (LOL).
FWIW2: this thread is another classic "everyone has a point here if you put yourself in their shoes" situation.
1. I replied first, and attempted to make a constructive mechanics comment and start a discussion about a crossover between
@sidewinder22 and
@Jaani. These days, I'm increasingly careful to start anything I say with a "mechanics first" approach. I don't really care who said what in that case in the same way that I only care about what's true in my day job regardless of who discovered it. I tend to be high on the "giving credit" dimension and I like to cite sources when I can. There is a difference between me acknowledging sources/help from my coach/pointing out precedents and believing that every concept or its origin is sacrosanct. I already said other people do it differently and I live in peace with them, so I really had nothing else to add and hoped we would just talk about contents, but that's not how we roll at DGCR (and most online communities have some version of this).
2.
@Jaani chimed in as soon as someone criticized his video here after they said they didn't watch it. He could have said nothing, but I understand someone for speaking up when they are criticized.
3.
@sidewinder22 clearly thinks that he covered the same concept before, there is apparently some history of idea-sharing there, and he then commented on the video to share what he believes are the same concept in his content. I guess what I perceive is that he feels like he pointed Jaani to this before, then in a video where Jaani said there was a small chance it would revolutionize bracing and asked for comments, Sidewinder commented that (in Sidewinder's perception) he had already covered this before in more than one context. Clearly there was a lot more "behind the scenes" in their discussions/relationship/etc., which is coming out in their somewhat acerbic tones (though I may be tone-deaf on the internet so my apologies if I'm somehow reading it wrong.
@Jaani later mentioned he doesn't watch Sidewinder's videos, so the novelty claim would probably get under someone's skin in that case, if they believed they had already said or shared it before.
4.
@Sheep Is pointing out that it can be perceived as annoying to make content and have someone pointing out that they said it before if there is no additional point or context. I don't talk about that much publicly, but when it's hard to tell if someone is trying to be helpful vs. something else, it can be frustrating and activating. Totally get that. Literally every coach I've talked to at this point has probably experienced that.
@Jaani thematically has similar takes in this category, which can only be more frustrating if he in fact believes what he is saying is new.
FWIW3: as a neuropsychologist I understand why people are
responding first with their limbic systems in the context of all of the above (including me). As a "limbic first" guy by personality I had to learn a lot of tools to not scorch the earth...
Okay.
Gonna drop this out here, because this is what I see. Now that I finally got through all the stupidity of those pages. Also, ... Socrates discussing disc golf form. I don't even wanna think about that headache.
Dude, you can't tell me you don't want to see this guy:
Cueing up a Destroyer like this bad boy:
Toga optional, obviously.
So, were gonna give some people a pass for talking a certain way, but others don't get that same pass? Were gonna be hypocrites bashing on some people the way they speak, but other people just. were gonna act like they are not doing the same thing?...
But this hypocritical attitude towards people needs to stop, cause all I see is someone gets shitty with another person, and they don't get called out, but the other person does.
I get your point, rather than be too "on the nose" while people sort their own issues out I'll share something you reminded me of:
There is a book called "Why everyone (else) is a hypocrite." It's right up my alley and I know some of the work that led to the central thesis, but I didn't read it. Now I will tell you why.
Robert Kurzban was a tenured professor at Penn when I was somewhat close to the then department chair. I was at a happy hour with the chair the moment they received a text showing that news publicly broke about his inappropriate relationship with an undergraduate. You can imagine it was not the happiest hour.
I didn't read his book because even though it has a reputation for being quite good, I didn't want any dollars I might have spent on it to get back to that person.
I now know two evolutionary psychologists who have been quietly oustered from their departments after fraternizing with students or supervisees. Obviously it's not unique to people in that subdiscipline, but the relationship between what they study and what some people do in their private time is interesting, psychology, disc golf, or otherwise.
Ya know, there are disciplines where they pin down intellectual territory, revise history, and generally chase the details. There are others where it is never sorted, you might speculate, but borrowing and stealing is all fair game as the result is what matters. Eventually, history might provide some clarity.
I suspect disc golf coaching is in the latter category. One reason I pay attention to SW, besides the fact that he seems to be a generous person, is that he's not constantly revising his stance. I think there's something to be said about continuity. I'm sure it doesn't generate the clicks, tho.
This is probably the main reason I too was attracted here in the first place, and remain here. It doesn't mean that I blindly consume it - if anything, it was mostly just the most comprehensive set of drills and ideas I had encountered, and in that case was an interesting basis for learning. When criticisms or disagreements came up, it always gave me a reference point that I could not find as comprehensively anywhere else. My own Fundamentals project was just an effort to add cohesion - in a way, Sidewinder's repository of writing and drills was an ideal space for someone like me because I could think about what he was showing, saying, and trying to make me feel and do and try to weave it all together. And it was fun and exciting for me. Mostly what I do now in the coaching/theory end is compare what I know or understand from those ideas with other concepts on the marketplace. I am still very happy to be coached by him and be as dutiful a student as I can be (which is an important part of being a student, but not the only part) as long as he will tolerate me. His patience and generosity asking for nothing in return should always be acknowledged.
