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Here's a course in Round Rock, TX that has two holes over 1,000 ft.
Here's a course in Round Rock, TX that has two holes over 1,000 ft.
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SoCal-Wraith
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I am in the same boat. I just stared playing and my drive is pretty short (~250 ft). I have been working on control because every time i try and throw hard i mess up my drive. I read here that '....it's all about the second shot', and this has worked for me. Even if I totally mess up my drive I can land next to the basket on my second shot and par the hole.
Lewis
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Random thoughts on the passing scene:
You won't birdie many 320' holes with a 250' drive, so driving is definitely for dough.
A good approach can be even more valuable than a good putt. One of the best feelings for me in DG is saving par after driving into unholy shule because of a brilliant approach shot.
You won't birdie many 320' holes with a 250' drive, so driving is definitely for dough.
A good approach can be even more valuable than a good putt. One of the best feelings for me in DG is saving par after driving into unholy shule because of a brilliant approach shot.
Disc Chainy
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It all depends on what course you play as well. For instance, I played this course the other day: http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=739
with 5 holes at or around 500' , and 4 more over 400' , (all par 3), a long drive was crucial! having a short game is important, but if you shank your drive, its nearly impossible to lay up and save par. Unless your short game allows for accurate 400 foot approach shots. Mine sure doesn't. All in all, it was a pretty frustrating experience....
with 5 holes at or around 500' , and 4 more over 400' , (all par 3), a long drive was crucial! having a short game is important, but if you shank your drive, its nearly impossible to lay up and save par. Unless your short game allows for accurate 400 foot approach shots. Mine sure doesn't. All in all, it was a pretty frustrating experience....
the reason the saying "drive for show, putt for dough" holds true, is that it doesn't matter how far you can drive if you can not make the putt
for instance, if you have a 500' hole and player A can throw '500 inaccurately (very few people can throw accurately), but player B can throw '250 accurately, then they will get the same score on the hole more times than not
and going along with that thought on a 500' hole where player A can throw 500', but can not putt very well, and player B can throw 250' and can putt really well - throwing a 500' shot and getting it within 40' of the pin is a pretty accurate shot, but if you can not make the putt, then once again, you will get the same score
when all is said and done, the guy who can throw farther may steal a few extra birdies here and there, but unless they are a pro level player, they will likely take a few extra bogeys as well, so the short game is far more important in the overall scheme of things - on most courses, if you can go bogey free and your not playing against pros, then chances are, your score is plenty good
for instance, if you have a 500' hole and player A can throw '500 inaccurately (very few people can throw accurately), but player B can throw '250 accurately, then they will get the same score on the hole more times than not
and going along with that thought on a 500' hole where player A can throw 500', but can not putt very well, and player B can throw 250' and can putt really well - throwing a 500' shot and getting it within 40' of the pin is a pretty accurate shot, but if you can not make the putt, then once again, you will get the same score
when all is said and done, the guy who can throw farther may steal a few extra birdies here and there, but unless they are a pro level player, they will likely take a few extra bogeys as well, so the short game is far more important in the overall scheme of things - on most courses, if you can go bogey free and your not playing against pros, then chances are, your score is plenty good
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I really agree with this. The longer I have played this sport, the more I realize that par is actually a good score on most courses. Minimizing the bad shots is more important than getting a couple extra birdies.
My terrible drive made me a great shot out of the thick!
I have been playing for 7 months now and in that time I have beat up my fair share of drivers! However by shanking so many drives that I tried to throw as hard as I could in the woods I have gotten pretty good at putting it next to the hole on my next shot. My friends usually have pretty good drives and land close to the hole. I however am usually in the woods! But I have learned to put my foot behind my disc, stretch out and find a hole and flick it next to the basket.
Most of the time they will miss their putt and we all end up with a par!
I will tell you what has helped my game though. Learn to throw a putter. Just recently I started driving with my putter. It takes more finesse as a hard shot will turn the putter over. Once I started getting 180 feet with my putter then I grab my driver and throw the exact same shot and amazingly enough I can now throw my Valkyrie 260-270 without any strain and more consistently than ever! Now I know that many throw further than that but to throw that with control and ease is a milestone for me.
I have been playing for 7 months now and in that time I have beat up my fair share of drivers! However by shanking so many drives that I tried to throw as hard as I could in the woods I have gotten pretty good at putting it next to the hole on my next shot. My friends usually have pretty good drives and land close to the hole. I however am usually in the woods! But I have learned to put my foot behind my disc, stretch out and find a hole and flick it next to the basket.
Most of the time they will miss their putt and we all end up with a par!
I will tell you what has helped my game though. Learn to throw a putter. Just recently I started driving with my putter. It takes more finesse as a hard shot will turn the putter over. Once I started getting 180 feet with my putter then I grab my driver and throw the exact same shot and amazingly enough I can now throw my Valkyrie 260-270 without any strain and more consistently than ever! Now I know that many throw further than that but to throw that with control and ease is a milestone for me.
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Update.
I watched a couple of Discraft long drive videos and realized that I was trying to muscle my drives instead of using timing and glide. Also had the lightb ulb go on in terms of turning over a disc. Got a couple barely out to over 300 today and could throw 275 at 90% with some control. The coolest thing was finding out that I could throw a disc like the Buzz a solid 225-250 and predict where it was going.
Now my arm is back to really rubbery...
fun stuff,
Z
I watched a couple of Discraft long drive videos and realized that I was trying to muscle my drives instead of using timing and glide. Also had the lightb ulb go on in terms of turning over a disc. Got a couple barely out to over 300 today and could throw 275 at 90% with some control. The coolest thing was finding out that I could throw a disc like the Buzz a solid 225-250 and predict where it was going.
Now my arm is back to really rubbery...
fun stuff,
Z
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Distance by itself wont allow for a great round and neither will just a short game. My home course consists of holes from 250-725 ft with most holes in the 300-400 range. Im lucky to be blessed with a big arm from all the years of baseball I have played. However my first year of disc golf i was still throwing 300-400 ft consistently but was very inaccurate and would shoot anywhere from 50-60. This is my third year playing and im consistently throwing from 400-500 ft but my main trick is i can throw a shot 90% of full power and be 95% accurate. This has allowed me to shoot about 10 shots lower on average. So all in all distance is important and so is precision, but a balance of both will allow for the best score.
yea, I like to tell newer players that the idea of learning to throw farther isn't so you can throw that max distance, but so that you can throw the shorter distances easier
Blake T. on disc golf review uses the term "range" - a lot of people can throw 350' but very few can range 350' - range meaning, you can throw 350' hyzer, anhyzer, or straight, all the way, on command
like for me personally, I can get in an open field to practice my distance, and throw 410' - 450' fairly consistently by getting the full S curve, etc. but while on a disc golf course, it is rare that I would throw over 400' and expect to hit a fairway that was not wide open with any consistency and land within 30 feet of the pin... however, because I have learned to throw over 400', I can throw 350' at will, whether it is a straight shot, hyzer, or anhyzer all the way and hit most gaps in the process when playing reasonably well
so the idea is to go to an open field and practice throwing farther, but with better technique, so that when you go to the course, you only throw 90% power to increase accuracy and improve your scores
Blake T. on disc golf review uses the term "range" - a lot of people can throw 350' but very few can range 350' - range meaning, you can throw 350' hyzer, anhyzer, or straight, all the way, on command
like for me personally, I can get in an open field to practice my distance, and throw 410' - 450' fairly consistently by getting the full S curve, etc. but while on a disc golf course, it is rare that I would throw over 400' and expect to hit a fairway that was not wide open with any consistency and land within 30 feet of the pin... however, because I have learned to throw over 400', I can throw 350' at will, whether it is a straight shot, hyzer, or anhyzer all the way and hit most gaps in the process when playing reasonably well
so the idea is to go to an open field and practice throwing farther, but with better technique, so that when you go to the course, you only throw 90% power to increase accuracy and improve your scores
Agreed!
It all depends on what division you are planning on playing. If you want to play pro, then you have to be able to nail putts and drives. If you are playing AM (or in the MGM pro division), you place well in most tournaments without ever driving more than 300'. When playing AM (really, anything <950), it comes down to who makes the fewest mistakes; not who makes the most great shots.
With the move to Pro, no one is making many mistakes, so you have to make great shots to do well. It's a huge difference in style of play and in risk vs. reward. In AM, you can win by playing safe and taking threes; in Pro, you've got to hit those birdies or you'll never be competitive.
With the move to Pro, no one is making many mistakes, so you have to make great shots to do well. It's a huge difference in style of play and in risk vs. reward. In AM, you can win by playing safe and taking threes; in Pro, you've got to hit those birdies or you'll never be competitive.
overall, regardless of what division you are playing in, accuracy is much better than distance.
say for example, you have two guys playing. One can throw 300 but can't putt or approach or even throw that 300 footer accurately, while the other can throw up to 200 and put any throws on any line he wants. if they come up to a open 300 foot hole, most of the time player A gets a drive up there near the hole but two or even three putts, while player B has a 200 drive, a hundred foot approach, and probably a tap in for birdie. So here they are even.
On a 230' wooded hole, player A hits a tree at least once, has an approach, and they probably two putts. So there's a four, while player B has a beautiful drive with a 30-40 foot putt left, and gets a 2 or a 3.
One last example. you have an open 600 foot hole. Again, player A gets there in two, but two putts for a 4. Player B takes three to get there, but takes only one putt, and arrives at a 4 also. The only time where I can think that player A would be at an advantage would be on a hole longer than six-seven hundred feet, But how many of those do you run across? I've played one. Granted, I haven't played that many courses, but I think the point is clear, and the phrase is still true that we, "drive for show, putt for dough."
say for example, you have two guys playing. One can throw 300 but can't putt or approach or even throw that 300 footer accurately, while the other can throw up to 200 and put any throws on any line he wants. if they come up to a open 300 foot hole, most of the time player A gets a drive up there near the hole but two or even three putts, while player B has a 200 drive, a hundred foot approach, and probably a tap in for birdie. So here they are even.
On a 230' wooded hole, player A hits a tree at least once, has an approach, and they probably two putts. So there's a four, while player B has a beautiful drive with a 30-40 foot putt left, and gets a 2 or a 3.
One last example. you have an open 600 foot hole. Again, player A gets there in two, but two putts for a 4. Player B takes three to get there, but takes only one putt, and arrives at a 4 also. The only time where I can think that player A would be at an advantage would be on a hole longer than six-seven hundred feet, But how many of those do you run across? I've played one. Granted, I haven't played that many courses, but I think the point is clear, and the phrase is still true that we, "drive for show, putt for dough."
Omega SuperSloth
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going for birdies will probaly win you more rounds but going for par will get some wins too when all your buddies are trying to ace every hole and tap in their birds or on windy days, plus sometimes its nice to never come in last. try to play against the course not the other players,like poker think of the best percentage shot on each throw and remember shooting a birdey then a bogey is just like shooting 2 pars, people might score more points than koby on any given night but if they cant make it when it matters whats the point
AMEN! This is one of the things I love about courses designed by John Houck (and others...just don't know 'em by name)...he incorporates a lot of par 4 and 5 holes, which can level the playing field a bit and show who has the most well-rounded game. THIS is why we need more courses with multiple-shot holes (meaning, it takes more than 1 really good driver to get to the pin).
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How many open 300' holes are par 4??
Disc golf is like a pair of scissors. One blade is accuracy and the other blade is distance. Both blades working together is obviously going to work much better than either blade by itself.
very unique but well said
Whatever age you are, if you're new to the sport, you have nowhere to go but up in terms of your drive distance. I wouldn't write this off yet, no matter how old you are. As you drive more, you're technique will improve and more spin with result in more distance. Lesson learned: when you get out-thrown by either a little girl or a senior citizen (I have been by both), you need to work on technique, not strength.
Many posters would agree, I think, in copying the ball golf ritual of the driving range. The nice thing about disc golf (one of the nice things) is that you don't need a driving range. Take some drivers out to an open field and throw, throw, throw. Nothing will improve your distance like this practice.
I agree. I had trouble throwing into the wind. I went to the practice field on a very windy day (15-20mph) and just started throwing into the wind. I learning real fast that my Valkyrie does not like being thrown into the wind, but my DX Viking cuts through the wind like butter. I was quite suprised. The practice paid off yesterday because I was quite windy yesterday, and my Viking did great.
Blake T of DGR.com put it this way...kinda:
Am level skills + Am level consistency = Am scores
Pro level skills + Am level consistency = High Am / low Pro scores
Am level skills + Pro level consistency = High Am / low Pro scores
Pro level skills + Pro level consistency = Pro scores
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