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Creve Coeur Lake - Hillside

3.15(based on 5 reviews)
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MBoehner
Experience: 9.3 years 17 played 14 reviews
2.50 star(s)

Sunday Funday 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Oct 17, 2021 Played the course:once

Pros:

Much more technical than the lakeside course. Mixed in through existing park amenities.

Cons:

Small tee pads. If you play in the fall, watch out for walnuts on the ground! A bit tight too driveways, playgrounds, and parking areas. Mountain bike trail crosses through several holes, so be aware of bike riders.
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Tyler V
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Experience: 16.9 years 150 played 100 reviews
4.00 star(s)

An Addition To A Historic Park That Is Becoming One Of The Area's Best

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Mar 9, 2024 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

Creve Coeur Lake - Hillside is the second 18-hole course installed in the Creve Coeur Lake park, and one of a few new 18-hole courses the area has had installed in 2021. This course has been subject to plenty of improvements during its first three years of life, and provides plenty of fun, tighter lines around the hills of this park, making for a more challenging and fun round that compliments the older Lakeside course down the road.

Location of Hillside is the upper portion of Creve Coeur Lake Park, the largest park in the St. Louis County Park system. This is now the third park in the St. Louis area with two 18-hole courses, though the courses are far enough from each other that you'll want to drive between the two if you're going for a full 36-hole day. The park is in the northwest part of St. Louis County and pretty accessible from I-70, I-270, and MO-141. There's gas stations and restaurant options when coming from either direction to the park for whatever needs you may have before or after you round. In addition to being close to the Lakeside course, there's plenty of other courses nearby if you want to make a day out of disc golf, including Carrolton, White Birch, Logan University, and Laurel Park, among others. Gateway Disc Sports is also headquartered just down the road on the other side of I-270; call or check about their hours or if they are accepting in-person shopping during the pandemic, as they've had to adjust policies over the last year.

Park Amenities are plentiful across the more than 2,000 acres of this park. Near the Lakeside course, you'll find a very popular lakeside walking trail, as well as folks on the water in boats and kayaks. There's also some shelters and bathrooms in the lower area along the lake. As you navigate the hillside course in the upper area of the park, you'll come across most of the other amenities the park offers. Across the hillside 18, you will find two baseball diamonds, tennis courts, multiple reservable shelters, bathrooms and drinking fountains, playgrounds, and plenty of picnic tables. There are also multiple trails in the park, most notably the Bootlegger's Run Trail, which is popular with both hikers and bikers and snakes around much of the disc golf course. Go Ape, a high-ropes course and zipline company, is also in this area of the park and a popular spot during the paring and summer. Overall, Creve Coeur Lake is a beautiful park with plenty going on, with plenty of activities for the whole family to enjoy.

Course Equipment has come a very long way since my original review of this course, and is the reason I'm upgrading this course to a 4. In addition to the still prestine DISCatchers across the 18 holes, there is now a practice basket next to the parking lot that has enough space to practice some decent distances. The course also has completed tee pads and signage, which was arguably the second biggest issue with Hillside. The tee pads are now all concrete, with the previous turf pads moved aside or slightly further up to make room for the permanent concrete additions. This has resulted in some slight adjustments in tee positions, most notably on hole one where you have less of a tunnel off the tee now. Many of the tee boxes have additional pavers around them, adding a nice touch to several holes on the course. As for tee signs, Hillside now has signage that includes pin locations, pin in use, distances and pars, direction to the next tee, and a full hole layout. There are also numerous next tee directional signs throughout the course for the longer or more unclear transitions. These changes alone have this feeling like a completely new course.

Course Design at Hillside is full of tighter, park style shots that will have you employing the use of most if not all of the discs in your bag. This course's 18 holes make up a figure-8 layout that runs along the roadway that goes through the upper section of the park. This layout makes it possible to start on the front or back 9, thought hole 10 is a bit of a hike from the parking lot. Between the roadway, trails, park amenities, and foliage, many of the holes on this course have specific lines that will work better than others off the tee. Despite this course's older sister down by the lake being known for having a very long layout in the past, Hillside comes in around 1,000 feet longer than the new design of the lakeside course. At ~7,600 feet, this course has a nice mix of longer and shorter holes, with elevation adding and subtracting to hole long each hole feels.

Variety at Hillside ended up being one of my favorite aspects of this course. Many of the holes incorporate designs where multiple shot types can be successful, making much of this course accessible to both forehand and backhand players dominant in either hand. In other parts of the course, particular shots will be required of you. Hole 4 is a short hole that will favor right hand forehand drives, while holes 16 and 18 both have fairways that turn to the left, favoring right hand backhand shots. The openness of fairways also varies on this course, which adds to the challenge. Some holes like 2, 8, and 12 are open and short par 3s that feel like must gets for those wanting the lowest score they can get, while other holes like 1 and 3 have either small landing zones or guarded greens, requiring more precision to get a good score.

Difficulty comes from the course being tighter and more surrounded by other obstacles and park amenities than the other courses in St. Louis, giving this course a unique feel for the area. This is a course that I feel will end up serving intermediate to advanced players more so than new players. The par on this course has ranged from 59 to 63 given the placements in use thus far, and intermediate players will find that par to be fair yet challenging. More advanced players will likely be able to hit longer and accurate drives that are essential on this course, with lower 50s or even 40s being attainable over time. This course is also a nice compliment to the older Lakeside course down the hill. Lakeside is flat, open, and an easier course to learn the game on, when considering how hard it is to either throw a disc off the fairway or lose a disc on an errant throw. This course provides a very different and more challenging environment that newer players in the area can graduate to.

Course Highlights: Holes 3, 15, and 17 come to mind. 3 is a long hole over a valley that will require you to hit a small landing strip between brush and the road to set yourself up for a birdie, while missing this landing area will make par a struggle to get. Hole 15 is a long and narrow fairway, with one pin being over 900 feet from the tee on top of a tree stump, providing a tough putt to finish a par 5. Hole 17 is a fun opportunity to unload a strong drive into one of the most open fairways on the course, with the pins being at the end of a long downhill area. Overall, this course has plenty of fun shots in a very picturesque setting. This park is a beautiful one to throw a round of disc golf in, and in certain areas you can get an overlooking view of the lake down the hill, especially when leaves aren't on the trees.

Cons:

Safety: The upper section of Creve Coeur Lake is narrow with a lot of park amenities fit into a relatively small amount of acreage. As a result, Hillside includes a very high percentage of holes where the roads, the bootlegger's trail, and other park amenities run along or even through fairways or near landing zones and greens. As a result, there are several spots where other park goers or cars pass through areas where discs can fly through. This will understandably be a con and a concern for many disc golfers that try out a round here.

This course has made me consider what I consider to be unsafe on a course as I review disc golf courses. For me, I am okay with close proximity to trails, roads, and other areas with other park goers as long as these areas don't include throwing into areas where you can't see the general landing zone. Despite the consistent proximity to other park amenities and roads on this course, there aren't many areas where you can't see people on the road or trail. For instance, hole 3 is a situation where the road runs very close to the landing zone, and the trail intersects the hole in front of the tee. That being said, you can see people on the trail and yield to them as they pass, and this portion of the road is a one way, allowing you to see if any cars are driving around the bend along the tee so you can yield to those as well. The vast majority of the course is the same way when it comes to other amenities and trails, with very few situations where you can't actually see where you are throwing.

Course Difficulty: If you don't have a good amount of accuracy or are more prone to grip lock or errant drives, this is not a course I'd recommend you play. Errant drives can easily lead to discs in the road or hitting a car. This course will require you to know your discs, how they fly, and how far they go. Intermediate players and up will find this course to be fun, but newer players should build their skills on another course where there are less opportunities to effect other park goers. I can see newer players honestly being stressed during a round here, and there are plenty of courses in St. Louis that are better options to develop skills at.

Navigation and Long Walks can make your first round here a little tricky to navigate. The course makes the most out of the open areas in this part of the park, but the limited options for hole placement mean long walks after holes 6, 9, 10, and 16. These walks are necessary to keep the course from playing unnecessarily close to other park uses, but they will still prove to be a con for plenty of folks. The new directional signs at least help more with navigation for those who don't have Udisc.

Other Thoughts:

Updated March 2024: Creve Coeur Lake Memorial Park is a historic one for the local disc golf scene. The Lakeside location was where the second oldest course in St. Louis was installed after a couple years of lobbying. The success of getting the first Creve Coeur Lake course installed led to the county setting up additional courses in the mid-90s, most notably Sioux Passage and Jefferson Barracks, which to this day remain pillars in the St. Louis lineup of courses and remain beloved to this day by the local community.

Hillside is a worthy addition to such an important park to local disc golf. This course provides a great compliment to the Lakeside location in every way, and provides a lot of design aspects that feel unique to the area. St. Louis disc golf courses on average have the benefit of not having to cohabitate with other park amenities in as close of proximity as Hillside has to. That being said, the club and parks department are focused on making this area a great one for both disc golfers and the community members that have spent years enjoying this park.

Check out the St. Louis Disc Golf Club for more information on this course as well as other courses and events in the area. The club just got their website back up too, which can be found at stldgclub.com. Also, be sure to give Gateway Disc Sports a visit down the road as well.

It has been almost three years since my original review of this course, and it is aging superbly. The signage, tee pads, and additional pin placements have really rounded out what has become a very solid disc golf course. I originally gave this course a 3.5, which admittedly was largely based on what I imagined this course would get up to once equipment and additional pin placements were in place. That being said, every time I play this course I leave thinking I need to play here more often. This course has found a solid spot in my regular rotation when I do get out for a more local round, and the various lines and pins really make for a high fun-factor. I can confidently say this course has exceeded my expectations, and I think it deserves a solid 4/5 now. While other courses in the area have a better argument for best in the area, Hillside should easily be in the conversation for a top tier course in St. Louis. Creve Coeur Lake Park may have endured a rocky history with disc golf, but it has come out in spades with the revival of Lakeside, and now this incredible Hillside course.
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Golden Tuna
Bronze level trusted reviewer
Experience: 23.2 years 185 played 31 reviews
3.50 star(s)

Park Style Course with Bite 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Mar 15, 2021 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

Hillside DGC is the 2nd installation at the historic Creve Coeur Lake Memorial Park. Of the two courses, Hillside is more challenging. Players will need accuracy as well as controlled power to score well on longer holes as OB is often a consideration.

Eight of the eleven Par 3's are accessible to all skill levels. Based on distance, most MA1, AM Masters, and above will look at those holes as "must-birdie". But, they still require an accurate shot to be in position. The course is laid out in a giant figure eight, offering access to the main parking area (by the tennis courts) after holes 7 or 9. There are (seasonal) bathrooms and water refill stations, as well as trash cans throughout the course.

The course requires a variety of shots and offers a good mix of pars with (11) Par 3's, (6) Par 4's, and (1) Par 5. The course is one of the most visible in the area as most baskets can be spotted from the road. Many of the longer holes offer both left and right sided fairways, so there are a variety of options to reach the target.

Cons:

Since the course is spread out through out the upper portion of the park, there are some long walks between 6 & 7, 9 & 10, and 16 & 17, but they're all pretty easy to navigate.

The course is brand new, installed early March 2021. Which, obviously means it still requires some manicuring... Only half the tee posts and pin positions (on each hole) have been installed to date. The local club is working on the remainder of the posts and tee signs are already in the works for Q4, 2021.

The local Club is working with the Parks Department on additional tree removal / limb trimming, as well as the relocation of legacy park amenities (picnic tables, grills, green space, etc.), and installation of awareness signs in converging areas.

During this transition, there is more adjacent pedestrian traffic than local players are used to. As the Parks Department continues their work to raise awareness of the disc golf course and reorganize amenities within the park, there will certainly be less traffic adjacent to the course.

Other Thoughts:

Courses take time to install and mature. The Club has been working in conjunction with the Parks Department as well as the other special interest activity groups in the shared spaces and will continue to implement their feedback as the course matures. The "danger" areas can only be dangerous if disc golfers refuse to yield to other park traffic. Waiting your turn is all it takes for everyone to enjoy the park safely.

In time, I suspect this course to be 4/5 or higher as it is a lot of fun and still presents plenty of challenge.
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klooster
Bronze level trusted reviewer
Experience: 27.2 years 392 played 23 reviews
2.00 star(s)

DIsc-aster Waiting To Happen 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Mar 8, 2021 Played the course:once

Pros:

Wide variety of fairways with uphill, downhill, backhand and flick shots, several ace runs, beautiful views of the lake in winter from atop the hill. Yellow DiscCatcher pins easy to spot. Way more fun than the old Creve Coeur course. I'm sure I walked at least 3 miles, because it's .9 miles from the parking lot to the basket near Dorsett road,.The course plays in a giant counter-clockwise loop. For a nice detailed description of holes, read Calvinc44's review.

Cons:

Dirt tees, lack of signs and trash cans ( so far). No big deal, and I feel the installation of pads, signs and cans should be postponed. Why? Because this is probably the most dangerous of the 390 courses I've played; this a multi-use park with a zipline,jungle treehouse, ball park, tennis court, mountain bike path winding onto fairways, hole 4 is a throw over the road and the mountain bike path! Hole 8 has tennis courts to the right, and I grip-locked my forehand and it went over the tennis fencing and almost hit a player. It's J.A.M.O.T. (Just A Matter of Time) before someone gets seriously injured, and the Parks department gets sued, and moving and parked cars will get hit, and the course will either need to be totally reconfigured or yanked. My playing partner completely, even more vehemently agreed with me. This is an Obstacle Course for all the non-players to navigate without being hit and hurt, or having their property damaged. The park was very crowded on a Monday afternoon, can't imagine the weekend traffic. Perhaps someone could sell large sheets of Bubble Wrap and helmets at the entrance to the park...

Other Thoughts:

This IS a lovely park. All the holes offer a different feel, and are quite challenging.I really wish I didn't have to say the above in the "CONS" section, because a lot of work went into installing the course, just not a lot of thought into designing it safely. If this course didn't have all the hazards to avoid, I would rate it a solid "4" ! Before you rate this review as helpful or Not, please play the course; you'll see what I mean. This would be a fun Glow Round course when all the 1000's of people leave at dark.
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calvinc44
Bronze level trusted reviewer
Experience: 3.9 years 117 played 11 reviews
3.50 star(s)

Will be a Top-Tier Stl Course real soon... 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Mar 7, 2021 Played the course:2-4 times

Pros:

-Brand New innova discatchers
- variety of distances (multiple par fives and fours)
- technicality required
-lots of elevation (especially compared to lakeside)
- the long holes require good placement shots if you want a birdie
-multiple pin locations
- adjacent to a recreational course down by the lake
-many greens are strategic where rollaways will affect your gameplay
- only course in Saint Louis County/City to have an elevated basket
- plenty of other stuff do (Go Ape, picnics, restrooms, tennis cours, ballfields, bike paths)

Cons:

- in a very popular public park, where people may not know that they are in a middle fairways
- many holes play adjacent to a busyish road
- no tee pads or signs yet (will come eventually)
- due to the public park nature of Hillside, the layout can have longer/confusing (for your first time) walks in between holes
- I felt I was able to throw a rh backhand and get to the basket ok and not be forced to throw a forehand on every hole.
- some areas still need to be cleared up like hole 3 and some branches are a little too low (heard they are working on them)

Other Thoughts:

Creve Coeur Hillside is the newest addition to the ever growing Saint Louis disc golf scene. It is located in a popular public park just up the hill (hence the name) to its sister course next to the lake. Hillside is a lot more difficult and fun than lakeside due to its elevation change and rolling hills compared to lakeside which is as flat as a board. Hillside has some huge trees that I'm sure will make the course even more difficult when it's played in the summer.
Here are some highlights.
Hole 3: 500 foot par 4 that goes across a valley. Placement is key and if you throw a good shot you'll be most likely be rewarded, but if you miss, you will be out of bounds right and in jail left
Hole 10: fairly straight forward 300 foot shot, but if you go too far it goes down hill 40 feet
Hole 13: Par 5 where placement of your shot is key and a basket on a very steep sloped hill
Hole 15: 950 foot par 5 with low ceilings and narrow fairways. Basket is on an elevated stump
Hole 17 : 485 foot par 3, but reachable with a really good drive due to the steep downhill slope of it

There are some troubles with the course, and most of them are just because it's brand new. Tee signs and pads are needed, some fairways need to be cleared more, and some branches need to be trimmed. These will all be fixed when the course ages and will make the rating go up.

The biggest issue people probably will complain about is the amount of other park goes there. I have played the course twice once on a Sunday afternoon when it seemed like all of Saint Louis was there because it was the first nice day of the year and on a Tuesday afternoon. The first time, there was a bunch of other people, and we did have to warn some that we were about throw. The Tuesday afternoon was a lot less busy and didn't provide much issue. I know the STL club is also working with Stl County parks to make sure signs are posted warning about disc golfers, moving picnic tables far away from fairways, and making signs warning disc golfers about trail users. I am sure this issue become smaller and smaller as the course ages, but many people right now are not used to the new disc golfers and making sure they aren't in the fairway.

Many of the issues facing Hillside right now are easily fixable, and will be addressed as the course gets older. But as it stands right now, I think there are a ton of fun shots, the scenery is nice, and the amenities surrounding the course are great. This will for sure be a top tier Saint Louis course in the future as its already great right now
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