I have seen the older 1990's version of the Gumputt or Blowfly disc that a person I played with had from the 1990's bounce out as the plastic was only vary soft like worn in Prostyle from Lighting or a baseline plastic that is as soft the old FLX ESP when worn in. He later got a newer disc as his was worn in. Now the discs are super soft and floppy when the company DGA got bought by Discraft. Only thing softer is a Quest AT Brick that if you see the modern plastic discs made in a crappy Champion/Z type plastic the Quest AT Brick is as floppy as the Aerobie Dogobie the soft Dog Disc that Aerobie makes.