Why No Relief from Harmful Plants?

[MNcyclone]

Maybe don't kneel? Learn the air bounce and be a better player?

 

[The dude on the bike]

if the foo, nevermind.

 

[TheStray]

If someone was that allergic that they couldn't throw their disc from the plant they were allergic to I would not expect that they should retrieve their disc and I sure as hell aint getting it for them. Constitutes a lost disc and back to the teepad shooting three if it were a drive. If they griped about it then I would suggest wearing pants next time, or they can throw from their lie.

I have done this before and people not knowing that it was poison ivy wanted to help me look for my disc. I told them forget about it and I took my penalty shots.

I am not sure if I'm allergic or not. I'm always touching poison ivy but I'm hardly ever getting a rash or if I go through the poison ivy and then end up in a thorny bush that breaks the skin it ends up itching. The best way to keep it maintained is do not scratch it no matter how much it itches.

 

[krupicka]

If someone was that allergic that they couldn't throw their disc from the plant they were allergic to I would not expect that they should retrieve their disc and I sure as hell aint getting it for them. Constitutes a lost disc and back to the teepad shooting three if it were a drive. If they griped about it then I would suggest wearing pants next time, or they can throw from their lie.

Just because someone cannot (does not want) to retrieve their disc, it does not mean that it is a lost disc. A lost disc is only for discs whose location is unknown.

 

[Smigles]

On a sidenote, not getting a disc for a goup member where it would only take very little effort and then trying to make them take penalty strokes is my new definition of a "dick move". Were you that desperate to gain some strokes that you forgot all courtasy ?

 

[Mr. America]

On a sidenote, not getting a disc for a goup member where it would only take very little effort and then trying to make them take penalty strokes is my new definition of a "dick move". Were you that desperate to gain some strokes that you forgot all courtasy ?

Why should he get in the poison just because somebody else doesn't want to go get their disc out of it?

 

[sidewinder22]

On a sidenote, not getting a disc for a goup member where it would only take very little effort and then trying to make them take penalty strokes is my new definition of a "dick move". Were you that desperate to gain some strokes that you forgot all courtasy ?

If he/she can't get to their own disc, then it would be an unplayable lie(assuming they found it) and would be taking a stroke either way.

 

[krupicka]

There is no unplayable lie rule anymore. The new equivalents are Optional Rethrow and Optional Relief. But for these rules, it is entirely optional. A player cannot be forced to take either. Just because a player chooses to not retrieve their disc, it does not always follow that there is a penalty.

 

[sidewinder22]

Optional relief vs unplayable lie, eh semantics. I was inferring being able to take a legal stance from the lie, I never said anything about retrieving the disc.

 

[TheStray]

On a sidenote, not getting a disc for a goup member where it would only take very little effort and then trying to make them take penalty strokes is my new definition of a "dick move". Were you that desperate to gain some strokes that you forgot all courtasy ?

No but I would not just allow them to use the rules to fit their lackadaisical attitude towards the rules and let them bend them in their favor for throwing in a patch of poison ivy then bringing it all the way back out to the fairway because "they" wanted a better lie.

I'm trying to aviod the inevitable:

"Oh hey look at that branch over head, it's a real widowmaker, I'm bringing it out in the fairway."

or the,

"I have hemaphobia and can't get a scratch on my arm, time to bring my disc out in the fairway."

 

[TheStray]

There is no unplayable lie rule anymore. The new equivalents are Optional Rethrow and Optional Relief. But for these rules, it is entirely optional. A player cannot be forced to take either. Just because a player chooses to not retrieve their disc, it does not always follow that there is a penalty.

I think it depends on how much relief they are taking before you can say there is no penalty.

 

[krupicka]

My point had nothing to do with relief. The act of leaving a disc behind (whether intentionally or unintentionally) does not appear to be an offense which would result in a penalty.

 

[TheStray]

My point had nothing to do with relief. The act of leaving a disc behind (whether intentionally or unintentionally) does not appear to be an offense which would result in a penalty.

Ok got it. Unretrievable does not equal lost.

 

[chosenmatrix]

Poison Ivy relief

Hey all, I am a brand new poster so I am sure I will make some posting mistake, but wanted some opinions from those that know the rules better than I. I was recently in a tournament on a course that had both "thistles" and poison ivy running along a lake. At the end of the round another player threw his drive into the bushes along the lake. He stated he couldn't find it after a couple minutes and asked if he needed to re-tee. I said he could, or since it could be in the water he could take a drop a meter from the bank where it went out. He immediately looked at me like I was crazy and stated he would get relief from the poison ivy along the bank as well. He basically wanted to move his drop into the fairway away from the bushes to create a better line of sight (IMO). I know that there is a rule that allows relief from dangerous objects, but I have never heard of plant relief. I didn't say anything at the time because he seemed so sure about it, but the more I think about it I am not so sure. Anyone have similar experience or know what the actual ruling is?

 

[jenb]

No relief from plants unless announced in the player's meeting. TDs around here often announce relief from cactus and sometimes relief from patches of the state flower, which is protected. But the rules otherwise only provide for relief from dangerous animals.

 

[krupicka]

Even when I provide relief from Poison Ivy (like I will this weekend), relief is straight back on the line of play. Other than the 1m from the OB, there is never lateral relief for any obstacle.

 

[jsc430]

^This is a good call. Even if he got relief its not as if the disc was ob.

 

[Johnny Conservative]

This is why I ALWAYS wear pants when playing disc golf. Except for a few courses (that I have played), you can just about guarantee there will be poison ivy or poison oak on the course.

 

[chosenmatrix]

^This is a good call. Even if he got relief its not as if the disc was ob.

That's the thing... he never found his disc so I think he was arguing that it did go out of bounds in the adjacent water and he just did not want to drop in the ivy. I am not even certain that it was poison ivy anyway. The TD did not ever mention relief though, so it sounds like I should have said something. Next time I will know... thanks for the input everyone.

 

[sneakytiki]

I'm just getting over a poison ivy outbreak... hate the stuff. It's harder to identify when its young, and I must have set my bag down in some because sure enough, 3 days later, poison ivy all over my lower back where my bag rests. Sent the bag through the washing machine to get it all out.