Selah Ranch... 1st ever perfect 5.00 in top 10?

[1978]

Carts will kill the course. I hope cart paths were designed into it.

 

[grodney]

(16 x 5.00) + (4 x 4.50) = 20 rev 4.90 rating
or maybe
(17 x 5.00) + (2 x 4.50) + (1 x 4.00) = 20 rev 4.90 rating

either way, tall order

 

[1978]

An it's not about non rich, non white, or whatever. I'm tired of seeing trash show up at courses everywhere that think they own the place and have no regard at all for the people there and/or the city that spent money and time into a park

:thmbup:

It is de-motivating and deflating to go to a course you spent hundreds or thousands of hours on to see graffiti (by disc golfers) or next tee/mando signs torn down, tee sign posts torn out of the ground, baskets bent, and written on, flowering trees purposly left/planted for aesthetics torn out or broken.

Its the same people that throw into you when you are doing course work and yell at you for being in the fairway. Those people are trash doesnt matter what they look like or how much money they make.

 

[Chain Wrangler]

:thmbup:

It is de-motivating and deflating to go to a course you spent hundreds or thousands of hours on to see graffiti (by disc golfers) or next tee/mando signs torn down, tee sign posts torn out of the ground, baskets bent, and written on, flowering trees purposly left/planted for aesthetics torn out or broken.

Its the same people that throw into you when you are doing course work and yell at you for being in the fairway. Those people are trash doesnt matter what they look like or how much money they make.

Glad to know that Roc and I are not the only ones that feel this way. Thank you.

 

[New013]

I'm not trying to degrade you guys and I'm not saying I've never judged anyone. I can be a huge ass as evident by my post history. I'm just saying this thread isn't the best place to start pointing out you think there are trashy people you want to stay away from the sport. I think the best way to handle people with poor course etiquette is to approach them and let them know their behavior won't be tolerated instead of just ignoring them and calling them names on the Internet.

I'd gladly play a round and have a beer with you or anyone and then we can be *******s with respect to the game out there together.

 

[Roc1Time]

I didn't start pointing it out in this thread... I started pointing it out in my reviews

 

[rusch_bag]

Some of you are really sounding like tools in this thread. Just because it costs money doesn't mean it is going to keep the "trash" away. It is just going to give the "trash" even more reasons to be "trashy" because they now paid for a service and they are going to want their moneys worth. The only people that the expensive price is going to keep out are the people that can't afford it. The "trash" is still going to be there.

 

[scarpfish]

That came out more negative than I wanted it to. I really hope it does work out and I hope more pay to play courses get put in, but is just don't see it ending well at those prices.

FWIW, the ranch itself is a Christian retreat complete with a pricey inn on site. They have other activities on site and other revenue streams going besides disc golf. If you'd look at their rates you'll see that they're not exactly going after the "I chose this sport because its cheap" demographic, but people who are willing to spend money.

 

[New013]

Just because it costs money doesn't mean it is going to keep the "trash" away. It is just going to give the "trash" even more reasons to be "trashy" because they now paid for a service and they are going to want their moneys worth. The only people that the expensive price is going to keep out are the people that can't afford it. The "trash" is still going to be there.

I so agree with this. It costs hundreds or thousands of dollars to go to pro sports stadiums and watch games. Yet there is still trash everywhere after the game.

 

[FredVegasDGC]

I must say, there will be the nitpicky reviewers and those whose personal preferences dictate a few 4.5 ratings. Things like pay to play may make some cheapskates ornery

It does make me ornery, but there are ball courses that are very nice that aren't $50 with a cart. The greatest thing about this game is the local enthusiasts do the hard work of finding a park, raising money, getting the local officials on board and building the best course they can for everyone to use.

I happen to live close to 2 of the best private courses in the area if not the country. The Blockhouse & Hawk Hollow. I have paid to play at the Blockhouse and it is a value course. I'm single without kids and I have a lot of disposable income and if you think $20 for DG and another $30 for a cart is reasonable then you have more spare cash than me.

Besides the courses at the International Disc Golf Center are only $5 for the day.

The other course I had the privilege to play was Hawk Hollow. John didn't charge me anything I came out to help him (with others) to clean up some damage from recent storms. For that he let me play his course. I put in a few hours of labor for the round and if you price it on how much I make at work I spent about $75 bucks for that round.

Comparing pay DG courses to Ball courses, like some have done, is not a correct comparison. How many free ball golf courses are in the U.S that you can walk up to and start playing?

25.3 years of playing and you are being silly about an expensive course? Yeah, you are the type of disc golfer that is holding the sport back. It's fine, just don't play it, bud. Eventually, your kind will be replaced with those that appreciate courses that actually cost money to maintain.

I hold the sport back?

How many new players do you walk a round with and have fun so they don't get frustrated and quit? My favorite part of the game is to coach little bits of help so by the end of the round they have doubled their distance and can't wait to play again.

How many times do you just walk your favorite course and pick up trash?

Just for your information all courses no matter where they are cost money to maintain. The money is raised by your local DG club. What are you exactly looking for more DG courses or DG courses that turn a profit?

The greatest aspect of this game are the many players way more dedicated than I am that have been building and maintaining DG courses all over the world that anyone can play for free and find a life long sport as fun & aggravating as ball golf but not as expensive. I appreciate the effort & work it takes to keep local courses open to the public.

I have no problem with Pay DG courses. It's a basic form of Democracy by voting with your wallet. But if it weren't for the army of DG players that have been building public free courses for more than 30 years you wouldn't be playing DG today.

I still believe and will always believe that any course that you have to pay to play is not a 5 star course.

 

[New013]

So I'm going to assume the first person to rate these courses less than 5 will automatically be crucified and called a cheapskate. You do understand saying a course is a 5 out of 5 is saying that the course is perfect and in no way could be improved; do you really feel like going out there once or twice wold qualify you enough to say that a course is perfect?

I'm not trying to start an argument here, if that's how you feel then give it a 5. I'm just saying people have a right to rate it whatever they want and you have a right to disagree with them. Let's just not automatically assume whoever does rate it less than 5 is doing so because of the price unless they say that in their review.

 

[CwAlbino]

Let's go back to how this hole is not a pitch and putt

Or what the point of this pad is???

It's a wide open shot with no obstacles. If you consider the trees right by the pad an obstacle, then I'm gonna have to be an elitist and say you can't throw a disc for ****.


Or what this water hazard is supposed to be doing for the hole. Seriously, the only way the water on this hole comes into play is if you throw really badly. The basket isn't even across or next to the water, it's way to the right!

Just a few examples of 5 star holes.

 

[1978]

Good thing you paid the $30 for the cart on the first one.

 

[scarpfish]

Let's go back to how this hole is not a pitch and putt

Or what this water hazard is supposed to be doing for the hole. Seriously, the only way the water on this hole comes into play is if you throw really badly. The basket isn't even across or next to the water, it's way to the right!

Just a few examples of 5 star holes.

Haven't been to the place, but I'd suspect both of those are short tees for the rec class player who can't throw 400'. Would the hole and hence the course somehow be better if there were no short pads?

 

[Chiefstang]

It's worth noting that bolf courses that charge $50 a round have a full time grounds crew, irrigation systems, and club houses.

I also worry that a lack of cart paths will ruin the course. Just look at the pics of the tee pads already.

Again, I'm not against pay to play, but if you're going to run fees that rival bolf courses, you'd better have the facility to warrant it, not just a big name placing the baskets.

 

[giles]

Let's go back to how this hole is not a pitch and putt

you have to think about your shot. hyzer in and you roll to the bottom of the hill. End up on top and you have a long putt for 3 if you miss. too far right and you are in the water, too far left and you are in the schule. It isn't a hard hole but you can just pitch whatever shot and have an easy putt.

 

[zepphead33]

I think the best deal would be a lifetime membership thing. You could pay 5$ per person per round, or the people who play a lot can pay 100$ for a lifetime membership.

 

[chris deitzel]

Am I the only one who thinks those courses look boring? Where are the trees, woods, rough? Doesn't look that appealing in the photos to me?

Lakeside looks nice

 

[CwAlbino]

Haven't been to the place, but I'd suspect both of those are short tees for the rec class player who can't throw 400'. Would the hole and hence the course somehow be better if there were no short pads?

iirc every hole from longs in the ones I've posted (in that post and before) were at or under 300' from blues.

e/
First one: 3 221 ft (3) -- 251 ft (3) --
Second one: 4 195 ft (3) -- 279 ft (3) --
Third one: 13 205 ft (3) -- 280 ft (3) --

you have to think about your shot. hyzer in and you roll to the bottom of the hill. End up on top and you have a long putt for 3 if you miss. too far right and you are in the water, too far left and you are in the schule. It isn't a hard hole but you can just pitch whatever shot and have an easy putt.

Sounds like pitch and putt to me. What's your definition of a pitch and putt, chicagoland flat ground no trees <200'??? If the only "obstacle" is a gradual hill that the basket is placed on, it's not a difficult hole.

 

[ferretdance03]

Am I the only one who thinks those courses look boring? Where are the trees, woods, rough? Doesn't look that appealing in the photos to me?

Lakeside looks nice

I also noticed a sever lack of trees. I guess that's what happens when you learn on and play (prefer) East Coast golf.