Twmccoy
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This sounds about identical to a Boss or Daedalus.
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[Innova] Innova Shryke
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ILUVSMGS18
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Boss is 13, 5, -1, 3 and a Daedulus is 13, 6, -3, 2. More like a Daedalus than a Boss but even more like a Discmania DD2 13, 5, -2, 2.
Twmccoy
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The shallow rim is what makes the Tern what it is. Deepen the rim and you lose everything great about that disc.
Shallow rims aren't impossible to get used to. They just take practice. Hate to say it, but the future of long distance drivers lies in shallow rimmed models. They glide better and have less drag.
Look at the King. Outstanding distance driver, very shallow rim. All the new longest drivers have shallow rims.
Twmccoy
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I'm a fan of fast, straight drivers. I'll give them all at least a try. I will agree with whomever said the Groove and Dominator are clunkers though. They should both be discontinued.
discflinger
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Years ago we had a pair of 'shrikes' make a nest right above a basket. Whenever anyone putted or grabbed their disc, they were cruelly dove upon. They were able to hover and their wings would snap when they did. Bad sound! They were known as the barbarian bird for impaling small rodents and such on thorns and barbed wire for later consumption.
hugheshilton
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Umm, I completely disagree with just about everything you said. I think there are plenty of people who prefer deeper and plenty of people who prefer shallower rimmed drivers. I don't think the "future" of distance drivers is that they will all be the same, either way. I think the future is that disc companies will continue producing a wide range of discs for different sized hands and preferences. And as to your argument that shallower rims "glide better" and thus go further, just look at the Destroyer, Boss, etc. In the hands of people who throw far, those drivers go further than just about anything else and they're not all that shallow. I think deeper drivers glide just fine.
SD86
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I might give the Shryke a shot if and when it comes out in Star plastic. No rush, though.
slowplastic
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For me it's a combination of the Tern having a shallow rim, and that little lip into the rim...so the shallow feel is almost sharpened to me. That being said, it flies fantastic and is a massive hit because of that fact. Feel is secondary to flight pattern of course. It's just that with so many distance drivers out there, from so many companies, in so many good plastics...that small factor is enough for me to throw some other discs because there is just so much choice. I throw a lot of Destroyer shots because I feel like it's a good combination of speed and glide, and great rim depth for backhand and forehand...but when I throw a World or something that's a 14 speed or definitely a clear notch above a 12 speed, the sharpness and narrowness of the design does make a difference in flight speed over the Destroyer. If that translates to a longer shot, that's a different story...but the characteristics of flight are different.
PMantle
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So much this. It's about drag and efficiency.
DG_Before_Breakfast
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I love the shallow rim on the Tern. Makes it easier to grip and control IMO. I'm also loving the DGA Pipeline for that reason.
I like the flight on a Nuke, but I can't throw them consistently because of the rim. I can throw a Destroyer OK, but not a Boss.
I guess everyone is different on what is comfortable for a rim, but shallow rims really seem to help my control.
I like the flight on a Nuke, but I can't throw them consistently because of the rim. I can throw a Destroyer OK, but not a Boss.
I guess everyone is different on what is comfortable for a rim, but shallow rims really seem to help my control.
DirtyMeathook
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Yea since those 2 molds are so similar..
I'm with the camp hoping that it flies like a Tern but with a more traditional feel.
I see more shallow rim drivers as well. If you have read the sustainability thread, drivers may end up having more of a blunt nose. To keep speed up and rim weight down, discs will most likely have to be more shallow.
pjhayes7
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Can you link to the thread you refer to here?
Nevermind, here it is for others
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125050
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Twmccoy
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I still assert that shallow rimmed drivers are the way to go for max distance. I'm not saying deep rimmed stuff like Destroyers, Nukes and Bosses aren't long, but shallow rimmed drivers are faster and have better overall distance potential. Its no accident that all the companies lately are making their new drivers with shallow rims.
In fact, almost all the speed 13-14 (yes, I realize those numbers are arbitrary) discs are shallow rimmed anymore.
In fact, almost all the speed 13-14 (yes, I realize those numbers are arbitrary) discs are shallow rimmed anymore.
Twmccoy
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A Tern with a slightly wider rim and more speed wouldn't bother me at all. I think that's what the Daedalus is supposed to be, but I like the Tern better and feel it's a better driver overall than the Daedalus.
well, ok sounds like a colossus.
it seems people get a little tired of disc companies tweaking molds on the consumer's behalf.
well, fact is, the consumer ultimately has to pay for r and d.
I'm ok with that as it over the years has resulted in some great molds.
it seems people get a little tired of disc companies tweaking molds on the consumer's behalf.
well, fact is, the consumer ultimately has to pay for r and d.
I'm ok with that as it over the years has resulted in some great molds.
hugheshilton
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Well, the Shryke is now on the PDGA approved discs list. The rim depth is listed at 1.2 cm, which is the same as the Destroyer and deeper than the Tern (1.1 cm). The rim width is 2.3 cm, same as the Tern. Interestingly, the rim configuration is 26, which is sharper than both the Tern (28) and the Destroyer (30). The rim config is actually the same as a Boss.
So for everyone hoping that this would be like a wider-rimmed or blunter Tern, thanks for playing, but no dice. From the numbers, it appears to be more like a deeper, sharper Tern or a wider-rimmed, sharper Destroyer. It's probably going to be between a Destroyer and a Boss in hand feel (wider than a Destroyer, narrower than a Boss, same depth).
So for everyone hoping that this would be like a wider-rimmed or blunter Tern, thanks for playing, but no dice. From the numbers, it appears to be more like a deeper, sharper Tern or a wider-rimmed, sharper Destroyer. It's probably going to be between a Destroyer and a Boss in hand feel (wider than a Destroyer, narrower than a Boss, same depth).
DiscinFiend
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Don't get me wrong, I like Innova. I just think this disc is unneeded in their lineup. Innova most certainly has a complete lineup of discs. I just think there are other bigger gaps that could have been filled in the stability spectrum. I really wish Innova would make a Zone copy. I really want a beadless OS putter/mid tweener from Innova. Or they could just release a wider variety of plastics in the molds they already have.
hugheshilton
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Given that disc companies WILL continue to make new molds, I personally think it would be fun if one of the major disc company made 2 flight charts: one for people who prefer shallow discs and one for people who prefer deeper discs. Then they could map out slots in each chart with their current offerings, and fill out all the remaining slots in both charts.
Then within each chart, they could make 2 separate mid and putter lineups for people who prefer beaded and people who prefer unbeaded molds. So if you wanted a beaded, shallow, overstable mid, you could get that (something like a Verdict), whereas if you preferred a beaded, deeper, straighter mid you could get that (something like a Roc). Then they could also make the discs within each lineup and speed class feel similar like the Verdict/Emac Truth/Truth/Evidence or the different Prodigy series.
Anyway, that sounds like way too much logic for most disc companies, who just want to make new stuff to keep sales going, but I *wish* they would do something like that.
Then within each chart, they could make 2 separate mid and putter lineups for people who prefer beaded and people who prefer unbeaded molds. So if you wanted a beaded, shallow, overstable mid, you could get that (something like a Verdict), whereas if you preferred a beaded, deeper, straighter mid you could get that (something like a Roc). Then they could also make the discs within each lineup and speed class feel similar like the Verdict/Emac Truth/Truth/Evidence or the different Prodigy series.
Anyway, that sounds like way too much logic for most disc companies, who just want to make new stuff to keep sales going, but I *wish* they would do something like that.
Spoken like a true consumer. "Logic"? Sounds like insanity / suicide (for the company) to me. Do the math...
Bead vs no bead
Deep vs shallow
Sharp vs blunt
Etc, etc, etc.
...for each of 2 - 14 'speed' catagories...
...and God knows how many 'stability ratings'
= WAY too many SKUs for any 1 company to fiscally handle.
But you can dream!
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