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Paige Pierce To Discraft 2020

Countchunkula said:
The craft beer fad will peak soon. Also, there are so many breweries now that the market is totally over saturated. I expect the next decade will see significant contraction.
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It'll definitely shrink, but there will always be a market for craft beer. What hopefully will die off is as the average consumer loses interest in the word "craft" the large breweries like Anheuser, MillerCoors, and Pabst will stop aquiring the smaller breweries, just to cash in a bit on hazys or rice lagers, etc. Most will be back to their Bud Light and PBR.

But people had your opinion in the 1990s too about BJs, Gordon Bierch, and other brewpubs that starting popping up in every strip mall, but even they are still hanging around.
 
F. Howl said:
It'll definitely shrink, but there will always be a market for craft beer. What hopefully will die off is as the average consumer loses interest in the word "craft" the large breweries like Anheuser, MillerCoors, and Pabst will stop aquiring the smaller breweries, just to cash in a bit on hazys or rice lagers, etc. Most will be back to their Bud Light and PBR.

But people had your opinion in the 1990s too about BJs, Gordon Bierch, and other brewpubs that starting popping up in every strip mall, but even they are still hanging around.
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I think we are mostly in agreement here. I don't expect craft beer to disappear, but I do think that there are too many small breweries in many areas. When demand starts to level off (and eventually decline), I expect to see a lot of closures.

Don't get me wrong, I love all of the additional choices. I just see a bubble waiting to burst.
 
There is no "craft beer bubble," the reason AB is going around buying up small breweries is because they want that share of the market back. The beer market is enormous and incredibly resilient, and it's been said over and over again that the alcohol industry is 100 percent recession-proof (no pun intended). I just want to go back to the days of $7 six packs of IPA, the over-pricing is the real problem that I currently see.

If Paige drinks beer, I wonder what she'd go for. Perhaps a nice shandy? Maybe I'm off and she's actually the Imperial Stout type. I sure am this time of year.
 
But since I'm think about it -- if we really want to use the bubble metaphor, I'd say it's more like a deep lake with a layer of cold, but carbon-dioxide rich water that has been trapped by the presence of warm, well established water on top. An environmental shake up provides the catalyst for the gas to come out of solution and make it's way to the top where it can dissipate, and the lake having been de-stratified can resume it's natural balance.
 
F. Howl said:
It'll definitely shrink, but there will always be a market for craft beer. What hopefully will die off is as the average consumer loses interest in the word "craft" the large breweries like Anheuser, MillerCoors, and Pabst will stop aquiring the smaller breweries, just to cash in a bit on hazys or rice lagers, etc. Most will be back to their Bud Light and PBR.

But people had your opinion in the 1990s too about BJs, Gordon Bierch, and other brewpubs that starting popping up in every strip mall, but even they are still hanging around.
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Count me in the group that went back to the Bud Light and PBR. A few years back the craft beer scene was somewhat exciting and you could get some new varieties but now it seems like all the same stuff from different breweries. I'm at the point now where 95% of the time I'm just buying Miller Lite or Guinness if want something darker. The other 5% of the time I'm buying either Sip of Sunshine or Yards Brawler, they're two beers I can't seem to quit.

I'm sure some beer enthusiasts wouldn't consider Miller Lite real beer but it's one of the most versatile beers out there. 9 am tailgate before a sports event, check. Doing some yard work, check. Spending the day grilling or smoking some meat, check. Spending the day out by the pool, check. Have a few beers during your round, check. Easy to drink and easy to control yourself so things don't get out of hand too quick.
 
riltim said:
Count me in the group that went back to the Bud Light and PBR. A few years back the craft beer scene was somewhat exciting and you could get some new varieties but now it seems like all the same stuff from different breweries. I'm at the point now where 95% of the time I'm just buying Miller Lite or Guinness if want something darker. The other 5% of the time I'm buying either Sip of Sunshine or Yards Brawler, they're two beers I can't seem to quit.

I'm sure some beer enthusiasts wouldn't consider Miller Lite real beer but it's one of the most versatile beers out there. 9 am tailgate before a sports event, check. Doing some yard work, check. Spending the day grilling or smoking some meat, check. Spending the day out by the pool, check. Have a few beers during your round, check. Easy to drink and easy to control yourself so things don't get out of hand too quick.
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To each their own, but damn....I don't know how anyone can drink that swill. Thank goodness I grew up in Detroit and I could at least get Labatt or Molson to drink. Even as a dishwashing high school kid, i sought out Erlanger, Michelob or Lowenbrau. Not great beer, but if I had to drink Weideman, Hamms, Goebels, Bud or Miller, I would have stuck to liquor. :p:p
 
ru4por said:
To each their own, but damn....I don't know how anyone can drink that swill. Thank goodness I grew up in Detroit and I could at least get Labatt or Molson to drink. Even as a dishwashing high school kid, i sought out Erlanger, Michelob or Lowenbrau. Not great beer, but if I had to drink Weideman, Hamms, Goebels, Bud or Miller, I would have stuck to liquor. :p:p
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Like you said to each their own. On a typical summer weekend I'm going to hit a league during the late morning, do a bit of yard work after that, and maybe have some family and friends over in the evening to swim, cookout, and hang by the fire. I'm not going crazy during any of those events but I enjoy a beer or two while doing it. If I drank Labatts or Molson during league I'd be out cold on my couch by early afternoon and the rest of the day would be shot.
 
Try a Belgin style Saison or a Scottish 20 shilling. Both, if the craft brewer( or import if you are lucky enough to have that nice of a store local) has brewed them to to style, will be about 3 % abv, yet will have actual taste and mouth feel.
 
Hampstead said:
IPAs are overrated.
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There are too many of them. Like every Brewer has to have one. If I'm in the mood for a IPA I don't one just one but I also don't want something that I can't taste the hoppiness of it. Something middle of the road like my favorite sierra nevada torpedo. I know I'm drinking an IPA but I'm not drunk after one. It's a balance that I think only a few Brewers do it right.
 
Countchunkula said:
I think we are mostly in agreement here. I don't expect craft beer to disappear, but I do think that there are too many small breweries in many areas. When demand starts to level off (and eventually decline), I expect to see a lot of closures.

Don't get me wrong, I love all of the additional choices. I just see a bubble waiting to burst.
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I agree but to a point, the beer is see dying are not ones connected to a restaurant with bar or the larger craft breweries say the ones even small time places that distribute the beer outside the venue, but the Micro Micro breweries that are just a micro brewery that are more niche in that they do not sell any bottled beer ever and you have to use a container to take it home in.
 
Back in high school and college I was getting Henry Winheards in bottles rather than whatever canned cheap piss water for $3.50 a case other people were getting. I've always preferred flavor and substance. So happy I am in an area that was at the forefront of "craft" beer and regularly has had some of the best around... not to mention some of the best wines in the world... not as good for the course but just being here a bit of wine snobbery rubs off. Its great to see how many grocery stores Bud and Coors and Miller et al are relegated to a small corner of the beer aisle.
Yeah the $13 six packs are not ok, and I splurge on them but so many local breweries that are still pretty reasonably priced or just go into them and get growlers and crowlers for very cheap.

I have a T-shirt that says "the internet is a fad" its funny to me how much that offends some people, especially because its not like I wear it with a purpose. Point is micro brews may not be on the level of the internet but calling it a fad? Maybe in some regions but they are going to stay strong on the west coast for a long long time.
 
Putt for D'oh said:
Back in high school and college I was getting Henry Winheards in bottles rather than whatever canned cheap piss water for $3.50 a case other people were getting. I've always preferred flavor and substance. So happy I am in an area that was at the forefront of "craft" beer and regularly has had some of the best around... not to mention some of the best wines in the world... not as good for the course but just being here a bit of wine snobbery rubs off. Its great to see how many grocery stores Bud and Coors and Miller et al are relegated to a small corner of the beer aisle.
Yeah the $13 six packs are not ok, and I splurge on them but so many local breweries that are still pretty reasonably priced or just go into them and get growlers and crowlers for very cheap.

I have a T-shirt that says "the internet is a fad" its funny to me how much that offends some people, especially because its not like I wear it with a purpose. Point is micro brews may not be on the level of the internet but calling it a fad? Maybe in some regions but they are going to stay strong on the west coast for a long long time.
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I know what you mean My family lived just outside Madison Wisconsin in a town smashed to Madison from 1991 to end of 2000 and on rare occasions my dad would get local beers from micro brew places that popped up in the 1990's One of them was New Glarus Brewing from town of same name, trying the Spotted Cow and the others. Before that my dad lived in California from 1966 on to 1991 and on rare occasions as Sierra Nevada Brewing was not yet nation wide was a more micro/regional brew he would drink on special occasions when he wanted to splurge on beer. Dad lived in Lompoc then in army near Ft Ord in mid 1980's then in SLO town for undergrad work a Cal Poly for late 1980's to very early 1990's.
 
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ru4por said:
To each their own, but damn....I don't know how anyone can drink that swill. Thank goodness I grew up in Detroit and I could at least get Labatt or Molson to drink. Even as a dishwashing high school kid, i sought out Erlanger, Michelob or Lowenbrau. Not great beer, but if I had to drink Weideman, Hamms, Goebels, Bud or Miller, I would have stuck to liquor. :p:p
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Sorry about your childhood growing up in Detroit. :D I'm from Milwaukee. Brew city man. I'm not a fan of Miller lite but don't knock Hamms. That stuff is cheap AF. It's also from the "land of sky blue waters" and has some beautiful mountains on the case. Last I checked there are no mountains in Milwaukee. But I grew up on some Hamms. Bud light is gross and for vegetarians and wieners. If I want water I'll just have a Coors light. :sick:
 
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