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[Other] Faction: Craft Disc Revolution
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TKWolverine
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When is The Faction going to start making some US discs for noodle armed geezers? I LOVE the idea of supporting up-and-coming companies but I really can't use a lot of the current discs.
uncle pennybags
Double Eagle Member
I would totally crush that event! Upside down anny flex bombs for the win!
Reniger
* Ace Member *
You may find that you really enjoy a Ptero (Stable/Flex Fairway) or a Serpent (ultra straight driving putter for me)
Bottoms from Gateway, all have RDG top
Scale - Wizard
Serpent - Magic
Iridium - Warlock
Plutonium - Voodoo
kelgart
Par Member
Check out the Lithium mid-range - flies slightly under/neutral. Also, our Chromium (soon to be PDGA approved) is also a neutral flier (9 speed, but easy to throw). And the Plutonium is a nice, neutral p&a that is easy to throw too...
kelgart
Par Member
Mobile issue has been resolved :wall: - all should be working well now...
Let us know if there are any other issues you experience with the relaunched site.
Thanks!
CreemCheese
Double Eagle Member
I don't see a shopping link when I go to the main site. If I search for it through Google, that link takes me to a page with them all pushed to the right. This is using Chrome on Android.
CreemCheese
Double Eagle Member
Darn edit window - The FactionDG.com site seems to be working good for me. It's the http://elementdiscs.com/store/c35/discs.html page that I found through Google that is pushing to the right still.
Man that sounds interesting any thoughts initial flight numbers? And when they will be available? Non-premium plastic option?
My bag is finally settled but I might be interested in something between the Heat and the OLF which this sounds like it will be.
Also I wouldn't hate it if Faction came out with a Viper competitor (super overstable but yet glidely fast mid/ slow fairway).
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kelgart
Par Member
Man that sounds interesting any thoughts initial flight numbers? And when they will be available? Non-premium plastic option?
My bag is finally settled but I might be interested in something between the Heat and the OLF which this sounds like it will be.
Also I wouldn't hate it if Faction came out with a Viper competitor (super overstable but yet glidely fast mid/ slow fairway).
Initial flight for the Chromium looks to be 9/5/-1/1
Should be PDGA approved within 1-2 weeks.
Will be available on website then as well.
Currently only done in our Hydra blend - we actually have a small batch in our Hydra Ice blend too (and not only clear, but some colored ice too). The hydra in this run are also very swirly in many cases, so the colors look great.
kelgart
Par Member
Yeah - that page has been taken down (the old store that was directly on the ElementDiscs.com site) - google may probably be leading you there on accident. Eventually that will drop off from google - i'll see about doing some redirects for those bad links - kind of annoying, but kind of out of our hands until google 're-indexes'
And yes, go directly to www.factiondg.com
Is the Hydra more a Star like Armor or is a Champion style?
Any plans for a base or pro style plastic one day?
CreemCheese
Double Eagle Member
That's what I figured it was, thought I'd let you know anyway.
Reniger
* Ace Member *
Alright! Proto 8! (Keith, have a name picked for it yet?)
I'll start with the very first impression upon opening the package... WOW! Beautiful swirly pink plastic! I'm a sucker for swirly/streaked/pearly plastics and this is a swirly pink like Discmania would kill to get. None of the puke-green mess that so many of the swirly Innova/DM come out as, these Proto 8s are gorgeous! I mean, look at the pictures... They're nice.
The plastic is a firm Star type blend with good rigidity and still soft enough to retain great grip. I'm not sure if it's just the release medium from the injection molding or if it's the poly blend, but they almost have a waxy feel - as if you mixed KC Pro and Star. Very good feeling plastic.
Now, the feel of the mold. Damn. All I have to say... Damn. It has a tweener mid/fairway bottom wing, but with a really nice blunted nose that nestles into your hand wonderfully for both backhand and forehand grips. Moreover, the where the bottom wing meets the inner flight plate is rounded over. So instead of an abrupt 90° angle, you have a very smooth transition. This, combined with the blunted wing, makes for the most comfortable forehand grip I've ever had. It nestles up to the pad of my middle finger underneath and gentle settled into the thenar space between my thumb and index finger. It's just begging for a big rip on a forehand flex.
Then comes the flight. I initially drove to a course about 4 miles away from my office just to get in some field work and test a few open holes. To my delight, this flew even better than I was expecting. It's a little faster than the OS mids that I typically bag (Prodigy M1, Discmania MD3) with comparable glide. However, it definitely beats both on stability. I have had a hard time finding an overstable mid that really suited what I was looking for. On a high spike hyzer both the MD3 and M1 would flip up more than I wanted and never held that hyzer angle as I wanted. This lead me to using a Kaxe or Andro-C in their place for that shot. First tests with the Element Proto 8 gave me just what I'd been looking for!
When thrown flat, there is just a hair of high-speed turn. And I mean a freaking hair. Ripped flat at full power, the total lateral play was about 10' total off the straight line I put it on. Then it bit in with a decently aggressive fade. Nothing overbearing, but a good, reliable cut. When put up on a high hyzer, it barely flattens at all. I threw about 10 shots back and forth on this line and had MUCH less play in the flight than I had with most OS mids besides the glideless bricks like Drones and Justice that just want to seek the ground as quickly as possible.
I ended up using this for my Tuesday league this week and threw it off the pad a few times - twice parking ~300' holes with the effortless control I was getting out of this disc. It is truly a great control mid/driver for moderate arms.
I would put the flight ratings fresh out of the box around a 6/5/-.5/3 Very, very handy disc that kicked some other mids right away. I'm now bagging the Proto 8 (which needs a better name) the Lithium, and a Prodigy M4 as my mids and they cover every slot I need. One step closer to Factionizing my bag! :thmbup:
All in all, the Proto 8 is a definite winner and I look forward to how Element/Faction progresses with it.
I'll start with the very first impression upon opening the package... WOW! Beautiful swirly pink plastic! I'm a sucker for swirly/streaked/pearly plastics and this is a swirly pink like Discmania would kill to get. None of the puke-green mess that so many of the swirly Innova/DM come out as, these Proto 8s are gorgeous! I mean, look at the pictures... They're nice.
The plastic is a firm Star type blend with good rigidity and still soft enough to retain great grip. I'm not sure if it's just the release medium from the injection molding or if it's the poly blend, but they almost have a waxy feel - as if you mixed KC Pro and Star. Very good feeling plastic.
Now, the feel of the mold. Damn. All I have to say... Damn. It has a tweener mid/fairway bottom wing, but with a really nice blunted nose that nestles into your hand wonderfully for both backhand and forehand grips. Moreover, the where the bottom wing meets the inner flight plate is rounded over. So instead of an abrupt 90° angle, you have a very smooth transition. This, combined with the blunted wing, makes for the most comfortable forehand grip I've ever had. It nestles up to the pad of my middle finger underneath and gentle settled into the thenar space between my thumb and index finger. It's just begging for a big rip on a forehand flex.
Then comes the flight. I initially drove to a course about 4 miles away from my office just to get in some field work and test a few open holes. To my delight, this flew even better than I was expecting. It's a little faster than the OS mids that I typically bag (Prodigy M1, Discmania MD3) with comparable glide. However, it definitely beats both on stability. I have had a hard time finding an overstable mid that really suited what I was looking for. On a high spike hyzer both the MD3 and M1 would flip up more than I wanted and never held that hyzer angle as I wanted. This lead me to using a Kaxe or Andro-C in their place for that shot. First tests with the Element Proto 8 gave me just what I'd been looking for!
When thrown flat, there is just a hair of high-speed turn. And I mean a freaking hair. Ripped flat at full power, the total lateral play was about 10' total off the straight line I put it on. Then it bit in with a decently aggressive fade. Nothing overbearing, but a good, reliable cut. When put up on a high hyzer, it barely flattens at all. I threw about 10 shots back and forth on this line and had MUCH less play in the flight than I had with most OS mids besides the glideless bricks like Drones and Justice that just want to seek the ground as quickly as possible.
I ended up using this for my Tuesday league this week and threw it off the pad a few times - twice parking ~300' holes with the effortless control I was getting out of this disc. It is truly a great control mid/driver for moderate arms.
I would put the flight ratings fresh out of the box around a 6/5/-.5/3 Very, very handy disc that kicked some other mids right away. I'm now bagging the Proto 8 (which needs a better name) the Lithium, and a Prodigy M4 as my mids and they cover every slot I need. One step closer to Factionizing my bag! :thmbup:
All in all, the Proto 8 is a definite winner and I look forward to how Element/Faction progresses with it.
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kelgart
Par Member
I really appreciate this great in-depth look at the Proto8. It is on it's way to PDGA approval (should be approved this month or November)! Lots of locals here are very excited to have this thing approved for 'official use' in the future!
Reniger
* Ace Member *
... Um. I may have accidentally used it in a C-Tier... Forgot about that approval. WHOOPS! Luckily, I suck enough than no one would care if I was only throwing by spitting watermelon seeds down the fairway.
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