Flipflat said:
Book a flight to Minnesota and hang with blake.
I don't have to eat lutefisk or anything, do I? :?
keltik said:
Dave there are a bunch of soccer fields behind my house. You could come up and I could show you some things. I'm really only a half hitter but I want to see if I can teach someone.
Sweet. I have a nice big hay field by me but a nice, flat soccer field sounds better and I'd love to have someone eyeball me, even if it's a burly bearded man. :wtf:
douglas78 said:
word for word, the OP's post is my exact dilemma! :?
Yeah, I'm sure there are legions of us which is why I started the thread instead of trying to make sense of the overwhelming mountain of threads. A streamlined, "refresher course" for hacks like me that haven't quite figured it out yet would be really helpful I think.
Thanks for big write-up, JR. Really appreciate it.
JR said:
Live instruction and feedback by an outside viewer should help a ton. Tendonitis ain't a bitch it's a whore from hell and you might have subconscious opening of the fingers for killed snap going on.
There may be truth to this. I have a habit that creeps in from time to time of loosening my grip as I come into the power pocket.
It is automated and the only thing against it is practice. Weight lifting and tendon strengthening practice more than throwing and pinching hard. It is a long road but your propensity for getting tendonitis will go down or away with time. Starting out slowly is the problem. Nobody knows how much your body can handle and the shitty deal about it is that you may not feel anything odd when practicing and the next day swelling will make you hurt like hell. It took me a surgery and around 7-8 years to put most problems behind me.
I know what you mean minus the surgery part. I'm slowly but surely improving it with some light weight lifting but it's slow going.
If grip is not the issue (try moving the thumb into Jenkins orientation with the base of the thumb lying on top of the flight plate and in quarter inch increments toward the center of the disc to eliminate some slipping) reach back distance and timing and possibly a lack of final step leg bracing once the heel touches the ground are common problems.
Is there a pic of this Jenkins orientation? I think I know what you mean but I want to be sure. My reach back distance could probably use improving, I don't reach back terribly far b/c I'm often focusing on keeping my weight forward. That last one I have no clue. I have a tendency to keep my plant leg too straight and I've read that you want your knees bent a little if that's true.
Do you turn the back of the head, back and heels at the target in the x step? You should for power generation. For the same reason some leg speed up to running may help some and for even more leg to distance power boosting try a double pivot by running in a curve starting from left rear of the tee x stepping to the center and planting to the right of the x step planting position. Not the easiest and most slip proof thus consistent controllable shot but perfectly viable for open field good weather good tee pad D. Try to get the elbow closer to the target than the right side before starting straightening the elbow.
Definite yes to the first question. The double pivot sounds interesting but I feel like I should concentrate on hitting consistency (or at all) before I go crazy with x steps. I have a very slow, deliberate run-up (walk-up really) b/c the more I charge up my x-step, the more it seems like I lose that "arm feels like a whip" sensation.
More distance with a non consistency compromising form means that you don't need to pull so hard meaning you can throw more accurately and consistently with one exception. Those that learn to aim with the weight of the rim against the fingers in the arm acceleration and direction change get a huge accuracy boost from that. And 330' seems to be the low limit for getting enough physical feedback to maybe feel it. Once you recognize the feel aiming with the weight becomes much easier.
Not sure I'm following you here.
Have fun above all hunting for better form and more power. It is in the legs and the core. Many (most?) don't twist their hips to the right, turn their shoulders even farther and whip their arm around from the shoulder socket. Getting any one of those to happen is easier if you brace the right leg in the plant step. Many prevent themselves from achieving those goals by spinning out=rotating the body freely around too early pivoting on the heel.
Getting my legs and core into it more is probably an area I can improve on. Any thread handy on this bracing the right leg part? I know what you mean but putting the theory into application has eluded me for a while now.