I think part of what you are aiming to get at here are coaching cues to use to get people to apply better actions, right? And a concern that telling them to "arm" it carries poor action/injury risks? Is that consistent with Taylor's reply above, or are you emphasizing something else? Just trying to see where any consensus might be, or if people are disagreeing.
Beto: I still think that drill is still great. I always just add that if you don't have a good enough weight shift/transfer to lead the move out of the pocket, you can add (bad) torque to the joints in the lower body. I think that's part of why SW became deeply interested in shift mechanics and part of why I've benefitted from learning from him. Just something to keep an eye on if people try it.
Yes, I'm really hard on good language to initiate good body actions.
Our body needs good instructions to perform well. If we keep giving it bad instructions and trying to do something that is different than the instruction, then we will struggle.
It's why things like "throw a ball" are so simple to our body.
cause we take the ball, we have a visual que of how to "throw" things watching others throw.
Disc golf mechanics are so unique that our body doesn't naturally do them, so we have to work extra hard to activate our body and our brains.
This is why guys like Gannon and others who started really young are going to be insane players like Simon. Because they were able to build into it at a younger age while they were still learning a lot of basic motor skills.
Malcom Gladwell talks about it in his book Outliers. Why a lot of prodigies of people are from a young age, because their body is still in the growth phase and is able to adapt in a way that compensates for so many things us lumbering oafs are unable to accommodate as easily.
So the verbal ques to them are also less important because their body adapted and figured it out when it was still in a space of being able to learn motor functions different.
Malcom also goes into the 10,000 hours stuff as well. At your and my age, its gonna be hard for us to hit those levels of practice in something that is a casual hobby.
I can hit 10,000 hours of thinking and study pretty easy, but throwing. my body is like "newp."
The part that is really scary though, and they noticed this.. oh.. crap 10-15 years ago. The motor skills of the upcoming gen z'ers is... bad. really really bad. Alright I can't easily find the article.
But in the tech world we entertain kids with ipads/tablets now. So they can swipe at age 3, but they can't stack blocks. And when they get older, from the study, they really struggle with a lot of fine motor skills. But they can swipe and operate digital devices better than most adults.
I wont get into my thoughts on that particular topic, but how we build skills, the practice and the learning of them goes a long ways.
We can take that level of information with us old crusties and provide far better input, to get far better output. And I'm so hard up about it because I've literally fixed peoples swings by giving them better verbal ques to focus on.
We can go look at an old phrase for learning "Garbage in, Garbage out." And that's what it is. But the idea's currently are "get content out, make it catchy." So, everyone is looking to try and connect in a really crude and rudimentary way, because its easy that way, but not necessarily correct.
Makes me think of someone making a video and posting it like this. "Step on the gas to drive you car." And the video is about how you must always hold the accelerator to the floor while trying to move forwards. That sounds really really dumb doesn't it? But some of this "catchy content" being produced with bad language isn't that the concepts are bad, it's that the concepts being explained are "push it to the floor all the way the whole time." when they mean, "moderate the pedal to maintain speed and control." or whatever.
It's me being me and being critical. But... Part of building coaching is being more accurate with our words, being more accurate with how we teach and say things, and presenting the data in a far more professional way than 30 second tiktoks. If you are taking coaching seriously, vs basically a bunch of click bait, get the info out get the views make money.
I'd LOVE to make money coaching, and I do in person. But .. I'm not putting out content to make money or get subscribers, I'm putting out content because I've finally decided my stance on it and the video is me solidifying that stance. if people happen to like it, then cool.
The amount of feedback on my calvin form video in the other thread has been.. well, nobody responded.
So.
Nobody really is concerned about off axis elbow torque causing injuries i guess. Someone didn't like it though, they downvoted.
"how dare you talk poorly about my hero!"
Sorry, Calvins upper body form is terrible.
Ahh well.
Crap, free form thought gets you in trouble.
Beto drill.
So, my problem with the beto drill isn't the drill. It's how Dan presented the information and how to do it.
I teach my students to do it with a weight shift and a brace. Basically I teach them to do the beto drill with crush the can.