JamesXC
Eagle Member
Yep. More turn than a PD, more glide than an Orc.
Are OLFs probe to plus rims since they are out of the Innova factory?
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Yep. More turn than a PD, more glide than an Orc.
Agree that comparing speed ratings between different brands can be misleading. PDGA seems to round their measurements to nearest tenth which can be misleading.I see a lot of 1.85cm rims being suggested to replace an orc, a 2.0cm rim. PDs, Olfs, etc, those are fairway drivers! Orcs typically go further and fly faster than those because of the bigger rim. I don't necessarily have a suggestion for the 6-year-old OP question but I do think a real orc replacement should have a 2.0 or 2.1cm rim. The Orc is a driver through and through. Calipers are a great $10 investment for evaluating these things, especially because listed pdga spec rim width is often incorrect. Just thought I'd give my two cents. Speeds are BS, especially across brands. An orc and a PD may have the same speed listed but they are not the same speed. Rim width is everything and a good way to get grip consistency in your bag.
If you're talking Innova then Orcs are literally closer to 11 speeds than 9 speeds. Orc rim width is about 20.6mm with most 9 speeds being 18.8-19.1mm and Wraiths about 21.6mm. Heck, some 11 speeds have a narrower rim width than the Orc, like the Mamba and Mystere being around 20.3mm.Agree that comparing speed ratings between different brands can be misleading. PDGA seems to round their measurements to nearest tenth which can be misleading.
Orc could be the OS distance driver for a lower arm speed player for sure. But if a golfer can get a 11+ speed to fly correctly an Orc may be closer to those 9-10 speed drivers with the Firebird rim width.
To me it makes sense to differentiate the Innova 6-8 speed from the 9-10 and 11+ speeds so I put the 'fairway' designation on the 6-8 and 'control/hybrid' on 9-10. Innova designates 9+ as distance drivers on their page. At some point they were all 'long distance' in Innova's history.
Orc is a interesting disc that I tried once again in 2023 with the new stock runs of Champ and Star being run. Stock Star one I grabbed was pretty beefy to start but I think my dislike for the aggressive flashing on all Innova OS 2.0cm drivers (Invictus/Orc/PDx/Starfire) was a factor for not sticking with it very long.
I'd think a Mint Longhorn or Dynamic Discs Sergeant would replace a Orc pretty well. Stepping up to a Wraith is always an option.