Smoking BANNED at 2011 Worlds
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bergdawg
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You're getting way more toxic stuff walking on a busy street or intersection than my cigarette will ever give you out on the DG course. There's so many worse things than second hand smoke.
I'd argue that the freedom to smoke and drink on many courses is a large driving force in current growth.
DaRoc
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There is no way disc golf will ever get on TV. If people think NASCAR or baseball is boring to watch what do you think they will think about DG. Our pros arent even real athletes. Football,baseball, hockey, basketball, soccer, etc. are sports with real athletes who have to keep their bodies in top shape to be able to play a top level. Disc golf is not a sport but a game that requires technique, practice, and a solid mental game to be at a high level just like golf. Big, small, skinny, fat, etc. its all about technique. Just my 2cents.
esdubya
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Squeaky clean image doesn't sell. The PDGA is totally off-base here. We should be embracing our uniqueness as a sport (and I'm not just talking about smoking here).
See other fringe sports that have broken through to the mainstream while maintaining their uniqueness and 'edginess' like snowboarding and skateboarding and mountain biking. In these cases it wasn't any type of governing body that did the breaking through, it was the athletes and equipment manufacturers (Tony Hawk, Jake Burton, etc).
The PDGA is overstepping their bounds and this is the wrong decision at the wrong time. Nobody in the membership was asking for this. Maybe the "National Tour" one day should implement this policy for televised events, but it doesn't make any sense right here right now. I think they will regret this decision, but it is only one more in a long series of WTF decisions. See: DISCussion board restrictions, the $10 per player fee, now this.. :doh: They are growing membership in spite of these poor decisions, not because of them. They should have at least double the membership numbers with the explosive growth of courses over the past 10 years.
See other fringe sports that have broken through to the mainstream while maintaining their uniqueness and 'edginess' like snowboarding and skateboarding and mountain biking. In these cases it wasn't any type of governing body that did the breaking through, it was the athletes and equipment manufacturers (Tony Hawk, Jake Burton, etc).
The PDGA is overstepping their bounds and this is the wrong decision at the wrong time. Nobody in the membership was asking for this. Maybe the "National Tour" one day should implement this policy for televised events, but it doesn't make any sense right here right now. I think they will regret this decision, but it is only one more in a long series of WTF decisions. See: DISCussion board restrictions, the $10 per player fee, now this.. :doh: They are growing membership in spite of these poor decisions, not because of them. They should have at least double the membership numbers with the explosive growth of courses over the past 10 years.
No, it's pathetic and most people laugh at his expense. He's a feel good story because how how people sympothise for him. If 50% of golfers did it, the sport would be a laughing stock. Tiger Woods was the best thing to happen to golf and one of the reasons is, he made it seem golf required fitness.
When it comes to image and growth of the sport, both are important. But, when Felberg, a smoker, votes for this, he understands that his paycheck will have a better chance of going up if he sacrifices and tries to improve his image.
Again, image is king and pays the bills in the future of our sport. Does that mean the demagraphic may change? maybe. But to parallel ball golf, there are tons of public courses that allow shorts and a t-shirt to play the game at 10 bucks a head. The opportunity to play the sport at a recreational level will not change, and that's what's important.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. The PDGA board seems to be ignoring the membership in many important decisions. Banning smoking at worlds is just the most recent and perhaps the most polarizing.
SmoothSailor
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I say all this about ball golf...
bodomdethllica
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listen we are here to play disc golf not smoke. The pdga is implementing this because of pure aesthetic reasons. It doesn't look professional. Im down with the pdga trying to look/conduct themselves as professional as possible. i smoke during rounds and im not throwing a piss fit. Id much rather play disc golf then smoke a cigarette, yes i enjoy doing both at the same time, but those are the rules. If you honestly would rather go smoke a cigarette then play in an awesome tournament, then you sir or ma'm have bigger problems. good day
MikePinchico
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They have DG on TV where I live in Chico, CA. The show disc golf weekly on public access twice a week. So your wrong, just to let you know.
GLong
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Last time I checked NASCAR was the most popular 'sport' in America, as far as spectators go.
And it may not be a 'sport' for you, but it is for me. Or at least damn good exercise. I lost 100+ lbs. playing DG and have kept it off for almost two years just by playing and eating a normal reasonable diet. You don't have to be in good shape to play, but it certainly helps. Especially if you play competitively.
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Its not the second hand smoke, on the course thats the real problem. Its those smokers that litter by throwing thier buts all over the place. I'm not saying you do it, but the cig. buts aren't just magicly appearing on the courses!
bergdawg
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone do that in a tournament, or very rarely. It's not the tournament players that leave their butts on the course. The butts are going to be there during the tournament even if you ban it during play.
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Probably not, because people that are concerned about the apearance of their course will be out there picking all of the buts up before the tournament.
bergdawg
Banned
And they'll still be doing it if the PDGA bans smoking during competition.
Forget it Thrembo, the rule has been made and smokers (who probably are not PDGA members, nor are going to participate in worlds) think bitching about it will change it.
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Most definately, because we live in an imperfect world where people are to lazy or indiferent to clean up after themselves.
Wow that's just dense...sorry to have to break it to you, but your body doesn't work that way. It doesn't wake up and say "oh well relatively this action isn't as bad as what I could be doing so I'm healthy"
Health isn't a relative thing - just because you're healthier than the guy next to you doesn't mean what you're doing isn't unhealthy. SO many smokers use this justification and it is mind boggling how many believe in it. Whatever your personal justifications are for continuing your unhealthy habit it doesn't make it objectively kosher.
Smoking is unhealthy. Period. It's not a relative concept, and justifying it's "relative" health factor is a far cry from an argument for why it should be allowed at a professional athletic event...
Are you talking about Pro Worlds? Pro Worlds 2011 is sold out. 3 minutes after it opened up to Am's the field filled and the waiting list started.
Trust me the smoking ban isn't causing the rift that people are making a racket about on here. Facts:
- Largest Pro Worlds field ever
- First Pro Worlds to sell out since 1982 (when the field was 1/3 the size)
- Field filled in 3 minutes after opening to Am's
Roll with the pack or get left behind.
Look, as a smoker, I'm pissed about the change of rules. This is a forum for discussion. A place to vent.
So take your "if you don't like it, don't play" comments and stick 'em in yer arse.
I don't like it.
I will play.
But it's bullsh*t. I don't like that I suddenly have to choose.
As for the non-smokers saying that it's not a handicap: Suck it. In a game where focus and a clear mind are coveted, this will effect play for smokers. It may not add 10 strokes, but frustration and being on edge can absolutely throw you off your game.
You know that co-worker you've been avoiding because they just quit smoking? The one biting everyone's head off over inconsequential stuff? Same thing.
I've been avoiding this thread, and not smoking for a few hours isn't going to make me quit the sport, but yeah. It sucks. And it's PR bull****. All the "offensive to my senses" arguments went right out the window when they announced no E-Cigs.
It's oversensitive, whiney, douchebag, PC crap.
So take your "if you don't like it, don't play" comments and stick 'em in yer arse.
I don't like it.
I will play.
But it's bullsh*t. I don't like that I suddenly have to choose.
As for the non-smokers saying that it's not a handicap: Suck it. In a game where focus and a clear mind are coveted, this will effect play for smokers. It may not add 10 strokes, but frustration and being on edge can absolutely throw you off your game.
You know that co-worker you've been avoiding because they just quit smoking? The one biting everyone's head off over inconsequential stuff? Same thing.
I've been avoiding this thread, and not smoking for a few hours isn't going to make me quit the sport, but yeah. It sucks. And it's PR bull****. All the "offensive to my senses" arguments went right out the window when they announced no E-Cigs.
It's oversensitive, whiney, douchebag, PC crap.
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