On hole 17 of round 2 a stance violation was called on the tee throw of one of the players.
As we know, there is no stance violation unless you contact the playing surface past the lie/front of the tee before the disc is released. We also know that, absent something weird, the disc is released before the plant foot actually moves off the plant spot in a follow through. That means that, if you have a tee pad that is higher than the ground, you can't foot fault just by planting right on the edge of the pad slightly overhanging the end.
I'd assume the pros all know this, but, we all know that pros, even touring ones with lots of experience, aren't necessarily any more informed on the rules than your average experienced disc golfer.
So, in this case, we can clearly see that the tee pad has thickness to it. At full speed it's clear the player plants on the tee pad itself, even though the rotation of the foot ends up with the plant foot contacting the ground in front of the tee pad. So, it's a little odd to me that a foot fault is contemplated here. The person calling it even starts a sentence with "I mean your footprint ... " and then seems to be pointing out a footprint on the end of the pad.
So, the question I have is, do we think the pros on this card don't actually understand this rule?
There is a secondary question about whether casual impediments are part of the playing surface, but I don't think that is actually part of what the pro is thinking.
Video of at the hole in question
It's 29:53 in if the link doesn't take you right there.
You can see the height of the pad here:
The plant:
After release:
As we know, there is no stance violation unless you contact the playing surface past the lie/front of the tee before the disc is released. We also know that, absent something weird, the disc is released before the plant foot actually moves off the plant spot in a follow through. That means that, if you have a tee pad that is higher than the ground, you can't foot fault just by planting right on the edge of the pad slightly overhanging the end.
I'd assume the pros all know this, but, we all know that pros, even touring ones with lots of experience, aren't necessarily any more informed on the rules than your average experienced disc golfer.
So, in this case, we can clearly see that the tee pad has thickness to it. At full speed it's clear the player plants on the tee pad itself, even though the rotation of the foot ends up with the plant foot contacting the ground in front of the tee pad. So, it's a little odd to me that a foot fault is contemplated here. The person calling it even starts a sentence with "I mean your footprint ... " and then seems to be pointing out a footprint on the end of the pad.
So, the question I have is, do we think the pros on this card don't actually understand this rule?
There is a secondary question about whether casual impediments are part of the playing surface, but I don't think that is actually part of what the pro is thinking.
Video of at the hole in question
It's 29:53 in if the link doesn't take you right there.
You can see the height of the pad here:
The plant:
After release:
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