TheStray
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I was at a tier A event this weekend and was on the top card for my division in the last round of 4 for the weekend and hadn't gotten a chance to play with 2 of the players on the card. Was doing okay for the first couple holes and then just started to fall apart. I was getting into situations where my footing was really taking it's toll because I was close to OB or in a tree or something but I was spending a lot of time and special care to make sure that I was observing the proper stance rules, so I felt like I should expect the same from the rest of the players.
I observed the person that was in second place for the tournament repeatedly doing what she was calling a jump putt (basically jumping from her marked lie outside the putting circle and releasing the disc in mid-air) and I finally decided to ask her is she would watch her footing and ensure that the disc is out of her hand prior to leaving the point of contact behind her disc marker, no warning, just friendly rule reminding here. At which time she began to huff and puff and tell me that she only needed to make sure that the disc was out of her hand prior to touching the ground again and "how else would it be possible to do a jump putt if you couldn't jump through the air" I simply replied "that's my point, I'm not sure what you're doing but quit doing it"
Next thing I know I have a pro who was playing a couple tees over telling me that the disc just had to be out of her hand prior to her touching the ground again. I'm pretty sure this guy is married to the person that I was just telling to mind her footing but at any rate I told him he wasnt on our card and to pretty much take a hike, to which he claimed he could make a ruling because he was a "certified official". At that point I asked everyone to calm down as I wasn't warning anyone I was just asking this person to watch their footing.
He told his wife or whatever she is that she shouldn't listen to me and just play her game and then under his breath called me an ass. That was pretty much the end of the altercation. I continued to watch her do her little jump throw after she just couldn't stand to not do it anymore but just kept my mouth shut.
In hindsight I have a couple questions, had I actually made a warning:
Who does have the right to make rulings or calls? My understanding is that it's an "appointed" official. To my knowledge I've never seen a list of "appointed" officials for a tournament or heard an announcement by the TD explaining who actaully was appointed for an event. After reviewing the rules my interpretation is that this guy didn't have the right to say anything and should have left it up to the card to decide amongst themselves.
Was this even a a situation that would have called for a ruling? It's my understanding that you dont need to have consensus on the card for a stance violation warning if it doesn't involve a penalty, however she would have had to rethrow her shot. I also wouldn't need someone to tell me the rules I would need an official to be observing the player and make a decision on whether the disc was out of her hand prior to her leaving her point of contact.
If there's 4 players on the card and I give a player a legitimate warning that does involve a penalty, what happens when the other 2 players choose not to be involved? Is it different if it doesn't involve a penalty?
Thanks in advance.
I observed the person that was in second place for the tournament repeatedly doing what she was calling a jump putt (basically jumping from her marked lie outside the putting circle and releasing the disc in mid-air) and I finally decided to ask her is she would watch her footing and ensure that the disc is out of her hand prior to leaving the point of contact behind her disc marker, no warning, just friendly rule reminding here. At which time she began to huff and puff and tell me that she only needed to make sure that the disc was out of her hand prior to touching the ground again and "how else would it be possible to do a jump putt if you couldn't jump through the air" I simply replied "that's my point, I'm not sure what you're doing but quit doing it"
Next thing I know I have a pro who was playing a couple tees over telling me that the disc just had to be out of her hand prior to her touching the ground again. I'm pretty sure this guy is married to the person that I was just telling to mind her footing but at any rate I told him he wasnt on our card and to pretty much take a hike, to which he claimed he could make a ruling because he was a "certified official". At that point I asked everyone to calm down as I wasn't warning anyone I was just asking this person to watch their footing.
He told his wife or whatever she is that she shouldn't listen to me and just play her game and then under his breath called me an ass. That was pretty much the end of the altercation. I continued to watch her do her little jump throw after she just couldn't stand to not do it anymore but just kept my mouth shut.
In hindsight I have a couple questions, had I actually made a warning:
Who does have the right to make rulings or calls? My understanding is that it's an "appointed" official. To my knowledge I've never seen a list of "appointed" officials for a tournament or heard an announcement by the TD explaining who actaully was appointed for an event. After reviewing the rules my interpretation is that this guy didn't have the right to say anything and should have left it up to the card to decide amongst themselves.
Was this even a a situation that would have called for a ruling? It's my understanding that you dont need to have consensus on the card for a stance violation warning if it doesn't involve a penalty, however she would have had to rethrow her shot. I also wouldn't need someone to tell me the rules I would need an official to be observing the player and make a decision on whether the disc was out of her hand prior to her leaving her point of contact.
If there's 4 players on the card and I give a player a legitimate warning that does involve a penalty, what happens when the other 2 players choose not to be involved? Is it different if it doesn't involve a penalty?
Thanks in advance.