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On the verge of giving up please help!
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Yeah, this is a preatty amazing reality.
Alright, time for one more thing that I am not sure has been said in so many words. Yes, I agree with the swooping up high being a bad thing. I also think you are rounding your arm rather than pulling straight through, which would be confirmed by letting us know how accurate you usually are with your drives. I would ponder a guess that you tend to spray your drives around a bit. The more important thing is that it looks like you are letting your disc go more than you are letting it rip out of your hand. This is evident by the lack of sound as the disc comes out of your hand. You are not listening for a snapping sound but a thump kind of sound. You can hear it well in the Liz Lopez video that was already posted. If you look at the fingers on her throwing hand they stay in the grip pretty much the hole way through her follow through before they go limp. In the video Paul McBeth posted of himself, you can see the same thing. Nice tight hand all the way through his follow through. In your video, your fingers are very straight as you follow through leading me to believe you are letting go of the disc rather than it ripping out. The consequence is that you loose a lot of power that could be transfered to the disc. All the distance comes from your arm strength which appears to be solid, especially if you are throwing 350' but I would imagine you could get out to 450'. I think there are a couple of videos that Discraft made that might also be helpful for you. I will admit, the first one goes back to the begining and is really basic for beginners, but there are some good things that Scott Papa says, especially when it comes to his little addition at the end.
http://youtu.be/Sgn6Os4YSW0
http://youtu.be/G-5uHMoYJ6Q
http://youtu.be/Sgn6Os4YSW0
http://youtu.be/G-5uHMoYJ6Q
Tiny
Double Eagle Member
I'm no expert, but I find I can get better distance with a surge or wraith further than a destroyer or boss.
gaerith2
Newbie
Keep the critiques coming guys. This is definitely giving me hope having actual analysis from other people who obviously know the game. Huge thank you to The Champ for taking some time to respond to these throwing critiques. You're all class Paul.
The reason why is because the surge and wraith are not as overstable as the destroyer or boss. The more overstable the disc, the faster it wants to get to the ground.
RandyHjr
Newbie
You have a really easy fix man. Yes you have a swoop, easy fix. The thing I noticed the most, you lack that POP at the end of your throw. Check out dave feldburgs clinic when he uses a towel for his example. Sounds crazy but check it out. You can learn a lot from swinging a towel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfQzUrn80UI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfQzUrn80UI
Widdershins
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It is rare for a relatively new player to dramatically lose distance except from injury or age. Most players will continue to increase distance as their form, snap and arm speed improve. My distance improved each year for about the first decade I played which I would guess is typical among players who practice a lot. So Gaerith2, if you do not suffer from injury or antiquity then the various suggestions given here will allow you to recapture your power.
But aside from technique or practice regimens your genes are very important. Fast twitch muscles play a big part in distance potential. Just like some athletes run faster or jump higher than their peers, so too do some players naturally throw farther.
Golf is not a distance competition it is a scoring competition and whatever skills we lack the most of seem the most attractive to us. So if you ask the "big arm no putt" player he is jealous of those who putt well. The "short arm good control" guy wants to bomb. When one person has it all, "big arm, great control, superb putt, mentally tough" then we call him Mr. Climo.
Query this, how often does the player who throws farthest win the tournament? Compare this answer to, how often does the player who putts best win the tournament? Those answers should direct where we practice the most.
GTii
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PMcBeth
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renoob
Par Member
I only skimmed this thread, so someone might have mentioned this, but the way your hand is flopping around in your follow through it looks like you might be actively letting go of the disc instead of letting it rip out on its own. Hard to tell in those vids.
threevok
Double Eagle Member
And remember, nothing ever comes from being stiff.
Tiny
Double Eagle Member
Good guy McBeth, I'm glad I got a mcbeth shirt I wear now. (seriously bought it cause it was green. Now I'm pleased it has mcbeth on it haha
tomsdiscs
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I agree with redrum's observations - if your hips get too far ahead of your shoulders, your shoulders will never catch up in time, there needs to be some synching of the rotation of hips and shoulders, they should never get too far apart. Some will even argue that the shoulders should be slightly ahead of the hips, so as the shoulders turn, the hips are just slightly behind and really bringing the power up from the legs to help drive the shoulders through while moving the disc on plane.
And for keeping the disc on plane - think of pulling the disc across the kitchen counter, that analogy has helped a lot of people I know.
One way to help re-establish timing is to practice keeping the disc and the center of your sternum (between the nipples) aligned, if the disc is too far ahead or behind your sternum, you will not benefit from all the power your rotating body is generating.
The green line-red line diagram is pretty cool - and reinforces the problems that will occur if you are letting your hip and shoulder rotation get too far out of synch.
And I would revert to an X-step, get your timing and mechanics tuned doing an x-step with no run up or hops, the run up and hops come later.
And experiment pulling on planes at different heights, how/where everyones delts and lats engage varies, so try pulling on higher and lower planes, you will feel the variance and find the right height where your body is engaging your muscles most effectively and generating well timed momentum that is transferred into the disc you are pulling thru on the plane.
And for keeping the disc on plane - think of pulling the disc across the kitchen counter, that analogy has helped a lot of people I know.
One way to help re-establish timing is to practice keeping the disc and the center of your sternum (between the nipples) aligned, if the disc is too far ahead or behind your sternum, you will not benefit from all the power your rotating body is generating.
The green line-red line diagram is pretty cool - and reinforces the problems that will occur if you are letting your hip and shoulder rotation get too far out of synch.
And I would revert to an X-step, get your timing and mechanics tuned doing an x-step with no run up or hops, the run up and hops come later.
And experiment pulling on planes at different heights, how/where everyones delts and lats engage varies, so try pulling on higher and lower planes, you will feel the variance and find the right height where your body is engaging your muscles most effectively and generating well timed momentum that is transferred into the disc you are pulling thru on the plane.
Rolex81
The Perpetual Putter
What? its supposed to rip out on its own? Meh, something else i need to work on. Would probably explain my inconsistent play
Rhynos4life
Par Member
It's hard to tell as the only video that shows it is the first but it looks like you're only pivoting on your toes which takes a lot of power out of your throw and really wears on your knee over time.
here is a link to a great clinic that taught me how to pivot on my heel as opposed to pivoting on the toe.
You're also beginning your pull through before you've finished planting with your lead foot so you're also losing distance because of bad timing. Slow your steps down.
I'd be willing to bet that you're also strong-arming your discs as well.
How far can you throw a putter? I only ask because it takes a lot better form to throw a putter 300ft than it takes to throw a driver 400.
Do you pinch your disc before your release or are you death gripping it the whole way through?
Does your arm get tired throughout a round? If so you're pulling through too hard and you need to relax your arm and work on pulling through smoothly. Think about whipping a towel; it's not about the forward momentum you start the towel with, it's about the lightning fast acceleration at the last second. Throwing a disc is the exact same.
The other guys had some great advice too. You ought to disc down some and only stick with the katana and maybe go to a blizz boss and then get some slower discs. Really anything on a universal flight guide that is 11speed or lower. There is no shame in discing down and it's not a permanent change but it will teach you better form and you'll see better performance out of your discs.
edit: I'm 6'1, 205, avid weightlifter, and max out at 500'(not very often though)
here is a link to a great clinic that taught me how to pivot on my heel as opposed to pivoting on the toe.
You're also beginning your pull through before you've finished planting with your lead foot so you're also losing distance because of bad timing. Slow your steps down.
I'd be willing to bet that you're also strong-arming your discs as well.
How far can you throw a putter? I only ask because it takes a lot better form to throw a putter 300ft than it takes to throw a driver 400.
Do you pinch your disc before your release or are you death gripping it the whole way through?
Does your arm get tired throughout a round? If so you're pulling through too hard and you need to relax your arm and work on pulling through smoothly. Think about whipping a towel; it's not about the forward momentum you start the towel with, it's about the lightning fast acceleration at the last second. Throwing a disc is the exact same.
The other guys had some great advice too. You ought to disc down some and only stick with the katana and maybe go to a blizz boss and then get some slower discs. Really anything on a universal flight guide that is 11speed or lower. There is no shame in discing down and it's not a permanent change but it will teach you better form and you'll see better performance out of your discs.
edit: I'm 6'1, 205, avid weightlifter, and max out at 500'(not very often though)
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Halcón
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This is the number one reason that I know I don't throw properly. By the end of a round, I have nothing left. Lately I've been working on a smooth release, but it takes time to break old habits.
Rhynos4life
Par Member
It took me a lot of field time to get out of strong arming as well but I still catch myself doing it from time to time.
You cant quit this game!
I do not have enough fingers & toes to count on how many times I've been so pissed off at my game that I wanted to quit! But the addiction is too strong. By the next day I'm usually chompin' at the bit to get out & throw somewhere (anywhere)! LOL
I do not have enough fingers & toes to count on how many times I've been so pissed off at my game that I wanted to quit! But the addiction is too strong. By the next day I'm usually chompin' at the bit to get out & throw somewhere (anywhere)! LOL
