[Putters] Spit out prone putter plastics

[ThomasOrion]

Even tho i love this plastic, especially in HOT weather....in anything below 70 degrees Prodigy 350 plastic was mildly spitty....especially when new. If it works in or its hot out it works fine tho

 

[PMantle]

There are no spit out-just poor putts.

 

[zendragon]

In my experience, putting more nose down will help. I spush putt as well, mostly push, and used to get a lot of spit outs. I changed my wrist angle to be a little more nose down and improved my putting almost immediately.

 

[OB Four]

think you hit the nail on the head, it's all about putting speed and flatness of putt combined with basket type. fast+flat+less chains=bounce out, I have the same problem as you. Thought it was plastic type.. but they all spit out the same for me, which is kinda lame, bc I can have a really off putt and catch a single chain and land the putt. You really almost just have to adjust your putting to the basket.

I've been struggling with spit outs basically for as long as I've played. By struggling I mean that I get probably 10 times more spit outs than the guys I play with and they have acknowledged it as well so it's not just all in my head.

I've been thinking about the reasons quite a lot and have few theories. I put with a "spush" put, with medium pace and disc flying rather flat. I've only putted with Trilogy putters (Pure, Macana, Shield) mostly in Medium or tacky Hard plastic. At the same time I've come to the conclusion that the put that gets the least amount of spit outs is a nose down push put with a slick plastic like KC Pro, so quite different from how I put.

Is there any general consensus on which plastics and putting styles are the least prone for spit outs?


PS. In this context the spit out is a really good put that goes into the middle of the chains, not a very high or slightly weak side put.

 

[bmcgov1209]

If you are getting spit outs far more often than the people you play with, trade putters with someone for a round or two. If the problem follows the putter you can blame the plastic. If the problem stays with the player then technique is to blame.

 

[SD86]

One thing I've noticed in tournament videos watching the pros putt... they seem to try to hit the chains in the lower part, so that the disc bounces down into the basket. They make sure to get above the basket, but they don't seem to aim at the upper part (by that I mean they don't aim so it hits the upper part).

So you might look to create a trajectory where the disc will bounce down off the chains.

For me, my problem is am-side spit-outs when the disc starts fading (rhbh) as it gets to the basket. When I hit the center, it usually stays in.

 

[Snaques]

One thing I've noticed in tournament videos watching the pros putt... they seem to try to hit the chains in the lower part, so that the disc bounces down into the basket. They make sure to get above the basket, but they don't seem to aim at the upper part (by that I mean they don't aim so it hits the upper part).

So you might look to create a trajectory where the disc will bounce down off the chains.

For me, my problem is am-side spit-outs when the disc starts fading (rhbh) as it gets to the basket. When I hit the center, it usually stays in.

This is actually one thing I've been thinking quite a bit as I also suffer from the am-side spit outs, especially as I get tired and start having more and more hyzer on the release.

The biggest reason to aim higher is to increase the target area where I will hit chains. Another reason is that missing low is way more annoying than spitting out. Obviously I could lower the aim point with more practice and that is on the list of things to try out during the summer.

Previously I was thinking about this mainly as a way to reduce the am-side spit outs, but it is true that this would also reduce the bounce backs from the pole and the chains. Thanks for the reminder. :thmbup:

 

[Snap-it]

You definitely don't want to be aiming low on anything but short gimmees. That advice was nonsense. Watch the Pro's, they all have a lot of loft on their putts, except for very short ones.

 

[DanJon]

What comes to the plastic preferences, Dave Dunipace mentioned briefly in his latest AMA that pros like KC Pro because it gets the least amount of spit outs. Wonder if this is true or just his sales pitch.

Here's some fuel for the fire:

How many past World Champions have used soft putters?

How many used KC Pro or comparable plastic putters?

 

[Pbmercil]

Not all putts are created equally. Just because you made contact with the chains doesn't mean it should stick. The real target is much smaller then the basket as a hole. I've found that independent of the basket being used hitting the bottom 40% of the pole is extremely reliable to sticking putts. That's my target, and when I miss that target, even if I still make good contact with the chains, mentally I consider it a miss regardless of if it falls in or not.

 

[Aim For The Chains]

Id argue more how many putting champs using xyz firmness. Who cares about WCs really. We know who uses what with the plastic name dubbed KC/MCpro when it comes to most WCs

 

[SD86]

The biggest reason to aim higher is to increase the target area where I will hit chains. Another reason is that missing low is way more annoying than spitting out. Obviously I could lower the aim point with more practice and that is on the list of things to try out during the summer.

Let me make my point again to clarify, as I observe that I am being misinterpreted and misunderstood.

I am *NOT* saying to aim low. I am saying to aim so that it hits the chains in a way to knock the disc down into the basket. Not unlike a bank shot in basketball.

Watch the pros in the videos, how a lot of their shots (especially the shorter ones that are 'gimme' for them) END UP hitting the lower part of the chains and dropping into the basket. They are not aiming low, but aiming so their disc hits the chains and bounces down instead of up and out.

Myself, on shots out to 25 ft. or so, I"m *aiming* at a point about center of the chains (on Discatchers), and maybe slightly higher as I get further out. I'm not aiming low.

Obviously the longer the shot, the more arc will be on it, and I"m not trying to get in the weeds nor the physics here of a myriad number of possible shots to make. But my point is that I am NOT saying to aim "low".

 

[Pbmercil]

The biggest reason to aim higher is to increase the target area where I will hit chains

Yeah, you have a wider set of chains to hit. But the edges of that area don't catch for crap. So it *looks* bigger, but the part that Wil actually catch a high % of your putts isn't any wider then then the chains farther down on the pole.

 

[Toro71]

Id argue more how many putting champs using xyz firmness. Who cares about WCs really. We know who uses what with the plastic name dubbed KC/MCpro when it comes to most WCs

Yeah, this. So, wow, 2 multi-x world champs have their own custom plastic blend. Sounds like an option all of us can pursue.

 

[armiller]

I have way more problems with airballs and rim-bangers than with spit outs. Call me a skeptic, but I still have a hard time believing any plastic is significantly more prone to spit outs. So I'll keep picking my putters based on what feels comfortable and controllable in the hand.

 

[DanJon]

Yeah, this. So, wow, 2 multi-x world champs have their own custom plastic blend. Sounds like an option all of us can pursue.

There are other world champs than those two.

I was curious to see what the others have used.

I did mention plastics that are similar to KC Pro as evidence towards using stiff putters.

 

[Streets]

MVP putters definitely spit out more.....

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[Toro71]

There are other world champs than those two.

I was curious to see what the others have used.

I did mention plastics that are similar to KC Pro as evidence towards using stiff putters.

Yeah, I get it. I just like something more "medium" in terms of flex, so I get defensive.

 

[Toro71]

MVP putters definitely spit out more.....

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They sure do if you putt like I do.

 

[sillybizz]

There is a sweet spot to every basket; finding it and not throwing a 100 miles an hour at it will make it go in every time.

If you think the plastic type, the mold, the weight, the basket, etc. is the problem you're gonna find out you're right even if you're not. Disc Golf like Golf is a mental challenge, not a physical one.