DGPT: Discraft's Green Mountain Championship Sept. 12-15

[JC17393]

If there was a player on the 20th card in MPO who decided to go straight to their car and leave instead of sticking around to total his card with the group, would you even know let alone care? Even if he did it in all four rounds?

This whole thing is a big fat "meh" to me.

 

[the_lung]

You make some very good points DoWork. I agree with everything you said as it pertains to all the other course behaviors.

But when it comes to just the scoring part, while she's not breaking any rules, it's tournament etiquette and common courtesy that every one else in the tournament has no problems with. We're talking literally an extra 2-3 minutes to the side of the 18th basket to check her card mates' scores. That's it.

 

[the_lung]

If there was a player on the 20th card in MPO who decided to go straight to their car and leave instead of sticking around to total his card with the group, would you even know let alone care? Even if he did it in all four rounds?

I would know (the other three competitors on the card tell me when someone just leaves and didn't look at the scorecard) and done all four rounds, it would bother me then too. :\

 

[Jolt]

Cat doesn't owe anybody a damn thing. It may very well be a super challenging thing for her to just show up at a tourney, we don't know and she doesn't owe us an explanation either.

Tru, she doesn't owe anybody. . BUT, if this a Social anxiety thing. . just taking 30sec to say so would spare her alot of the crap she gets on social media and forums

 

[Hampstead]

Maybe Cat would prefer the solitude of a VR disc golf career.

 

[R-Ogre]

My thoughts exactly.

Honestly I don't think people are reading the signs well enough here though. Social anxiety can manifest itself in many ways, and forcing people to "act normal" can be severely detrimental. Sometimes the spotlight pressure can exacerbate otherwise benign symptoms too, so maybe when someone wants to recoil from uncomfortable situations we could just let them and not act like they owe us acknowledgement, a smile, some form of conformance or whatever else people cook up in their heads.

Cat doesn't owe anybody a damn thing. It may very well be a super challenging thing for her to just show up at a tourney, we don't know and she doesn't owe us an explanation either.

If someone suffers from social anxiety perhaps participating in a spectator sport on an elite level is not for them?

 

[JC17393]

Tru, she doesn't owe anybody. . BUT, if this a Social anxiety thing. . just taking 30sec to say so would spare her alot of the crap she gets on social media and forums

Part of having social anxiety can be an inability to express that one has social anxiety. The mere act of having to explain it can cause it, if that makes sense.

 

[Jolt]

Odd start on hole one for MPO. . i dont really "get" that OB rule

 

[DoWork]

Tru, she doesn't owe anybody. . BUT, if this a Social anxiety thing. . just taking 30sec to say so would spare her alot of the crap she gets on social media and forums

And therein lies the crux of the perceived issue- Entitlement to an explanation.

Maybe she doesn't know why it's so hard to do things other people think is normal. Maybe she just thinks other people suck and are super annoying- news flash: most of the antisocial people you've ever met don't know why they feel the way they do. Why you'd want that person to prostrate themselves to gain your approval after everything I just wrote I'm not sure but it seems as though a lot of people out there would do well to try to learn about the mechanisms of depression and anxiety. Lots of people cannot bring themselves to tell you they're struggling because a) they really don't care what you think or b) they may be in denial, or even c). Why would anyone try to make good with people they for whatever reason cannot stomach interaction with? There's a million other releasing it could be.

In any case it's NEVER so cut and dry. I wish it was!

Also it's worth mentioning that I'm not trying to diagnose her. I'm just saying- if it isn't hurting you, LET IT BE.

 

[DoWork]

Part of having social anxiety can be an inability to express that one has social anxiety. The mere act of having to explain it can cause it, if that makes sense.

So much this. Thank you sir.

 

[DoWork]

You make some very good points DoWork. I agree with everything you said as it pertains to all the other course behaviors.

But when it comes to just the scoring part, while she's not breaking any rules, it's tournament etiquette and common courtesy that every one else in the tournament has no problems with. We're talking literally an extra 2-3 minutes to the side of the 18th basket to check her card mates' scores. That's it.

She very well may have been seconds from a full meltdown, and had to get the hell out ASAP. She may have been really struggling the whole day/week/month. We don't know.

Imagine it as a medical condition and not just someone being a jerk. If someone's blood sugar was low and they needed to go get meds would you feel the same way?

Food for thought. I get what you're saying, but I think you're missing what is potentially far more important given the subject matter.

 

[Jolt]

But we have no idea if she even have social anxiety, we just trying to "excuse" her sometimes odd behavior?

 

[Jolt]

How many camera men has been hit this year? more than all the years combined

 

[DoWork]

If someone suffers from social anxiety perhaps participating in a spectator sport on an elite level is not for them?

*sigh*

Cat has been playing at an elite level for longer than than most people have been paying attention, myself included.

Perhaps despite FPO competition causing huge amounts of anxiety at times, it's the only thing in her life keeping her from a massive downward spiral. We will never know.

But yeah man, by all means take away her livelihood because she doesn't act appreciative enough for your liking. That'll teach her!

 

[DoWork]

But we have no idea if she even have social anxiety, we just trying to "excuse" her sometimes odd behavior?

Honestly, whether she does or not is irrelevant. The only thing you need to know is that she doesn't owe you a damn thing. Not a smile, not gracious appreciation, not an explanation of why she is the way she is- NOTHING.

To surmise otherwise is honestly really entitled. She isn't your property and she can act however tf she wants, like it or not- I was simply offering a lesson in empathy- which apparently you guys are in desperate need of.

 

[JC17393]

How many camera men has been hit this year? more than all the years combined

Perhaps because more cameras are on the course this year compared to all other years combined? If we want to watch without being there, cameras are going to get hit once in a while.

 

[R-Ogre]

*sigh*

Cat has been playing at an elite level for longer than than most people have been paying attention, myself included.

Perhaps despite FPO competition causing huge amounts of anxiety at times, it's the only thing in her life keeping her from a massive downward spiral. We will never know.

But yeah man, by all means take away her livelihood because she doesn't act appreciative enough for your liking. That'll teach her!

I'm not suggesting that, anyone take anything from her. But if, indeed, that is the case (personally, I doubt it, I think you're projecting your own problems onto whatever Cats got going in her life), it looks like it's limiting her ability to perform to a level that's going to make it a sustainable career choice for her. So her options are either get through it, with therapy or whatever, or continue to choke like we saw at worlds. PDGA certainly isn't going to tell people they can't spectate or Jomez can't film, or that it's ok for her to play on a card by herself because she can't handle the level of interpersonal communication that's requisite of a top pro.

 

[the_lung]

In happier news, congrats to Discraft's Green Mountain Championship @ Smugglers' Notch Resort Open Women champion Sarah Hokom!

Also congrats to MA2 champion Nicholas Eori #120518 from Oxford, Mass and MA1 Advanced champion Noah Proctor #83627 from Wilton, New Hampshire!

 

[teemkey]

Cat threw a 1001-rated 4th round. How do you think that fit into her state of mind?

 

[Jolt]

Honestly, whether she does or not is irrelevant. The only thing you need to know is that she doesn't owe you a damn thing. Not a smile, not gracious appreciation, not an explanation of why she is the way she is- NOTHING.

To surmise otherwise is honestly really entitled. She isn't your property and she can act however tf she wants, like it or not- I was simply offering a lesson in empathy- which apparently you guys are in desperate need of.

Sure, NOBODY owes me anything and i owe them nothing. . .but i hate to live my life with that mindset