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DGPT: 2022 Dynamic Discs Open Apr 28-May 1

I guess my take is yeah, sure, adding OB makes the course more challenging. However, we're talking Kansas in the spring, and you'd expect the conditions alone are enough of a challenge. Yes, the weather could be relatively tame for a couple days but this event has the track record of saying otherwise.

Personally I'd prefer to see the course with minimal artificial OB. Yeah if the weather is very mild you might end up with some crazy low scores, but without the OB I think you're teasing the risky shot in high winds…which can act as a scoring separator on their own.

The tight OB just forces everybody to play fairly safe, which is obviously easier said than done. Get rid of the unnecessary OB and just let them rip.
 
I actually enjoy watching this for a very niche reason. Emporia has super similar wind to where I live, we average almost the same wind year round with our good months being slightly nicer and bad months being slightly worse and also a little more extreme winds here (occasionally we'll have no wind but we'll also get a lot more 25+ mph days).

Additionally we have like 3 trees so our main competitive course has artificial OB on 17 holes and mandos on 7.

I just relate super hard to the pros playing in Emporia in wind and can imagine them playing a really long version of our local course.
 
Quoting the relevant part of the latest convective outlook from the Storm Prediction Center...
Farther south along the dryline, intense surface heating should lead to minimal CINH by 21z and isolated supercells are expected to develop across KS into northern OK where mid-level height falls are expected. Models continue to suggest low-mid 60s surface dew points will be noted immediately ahead of the dryline which will result in a narrow corridor of 3000 J/kg SBCAPE. While model guidance produces minimal/no precipitation along the dryline south of I40 over OK into TX, low-level convergence along the boundary may prove adequate for sustained updrafts at lower latitudes. This portion of the outlook is highly conditional, but if storms develop they will be severe with very large hail (3-4 inch possible) along with a threat for tornadoes.

Worst case scenario would be that groups teeing off late will be affected by a pretty nasty storm, and in the best case it'll be just your typical Kansas windy day.

https://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day1otlk.html
 
Looks like Uli enjoyed it. /s

It's almost like he was trying to prove a point with that score, ended with the bird tho! Same for Philo, he probably wishing this was his weekend in the rotation to commentate. I wonder if there would be less top names playing this weekend if this wasn't going to be the home of World's this year.
 
TL;DR: I see some valid complaints about the design, but I think there are some really good aspects of it as well. Pointing out both what we should and shouldn't do is the best way to improve the courses on tour.

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I agree that these courses lack the feel of a great course due to the OB. I also think that the OB is objectively worse because (and I'm reiterating Houck and I think Chuck K here)

  1. OB doesn't allow for a chance to recover from a bad shot
  2. OB doesn't allow a shot to be proportinately punished (1" OB is the same as 100', while 1" into the rough is much different than 100')

I think the biggest suggestion I have is that almost half of the throws (non-putts) overly exaggerate the risk/reward element. The last throw on 16 is a clear example: it's silly to try and land in that little strip of in-bounds, so everyone either has a stupidly short layup (Paige Pierce yesterday putted her second shot on a par 5), or goes for it. This is a great style of hole design, falling into the heroic school of golf design. But for half of the shots? No, that's not even how the heroic school suggests designing courses. They'd suggest building up to one hole near the end of the round that is an exaggerated risk/reward shot. The idea is psychological. You're either having a great round and have to make the tough decision of going for it and possibly blemishing your great round, or you're having a terrible round and can make up for it by making one incredible shot. These shots usually involve a water carry, and laying up generally requires the player to do something silly (like what Paige did yesterday). If hole 16 were the only shot like this all day, I'd think it was great. But almost half of the throws are this way.

With that said, I think there are some good things we can learn from the course about how to design a course well, such as how to do the risk/reward elements. I also think there are some really good uses of minimal amounts of elevation (the putting areas on holes 12 and 15 come to mind). I also like how 18 is a stupidly easy shot, but allows you to get greedy by playing closer to the OB creek and mando. If you get too greedy, you'll be punished. I also love the idea of "gates" on that hole. By that I mean points of the fairway that are tight, but the rest of the fairway isn't. I've also heard these called "pinch points." I think gate is a better term because it implies that there's little between them, and the trees around the gate act like a fence. I kinda stole this idea from Steve W. I like them for two reasons.

First, gates allows for bad shots to go further off course. Since there are few/no trees to hit between gates, a shot that's slightly bad will have a slightly worse angle to the gate, while a shot that is really bad will have a much worse angle to the gate. In other words, it adequately punishes bad shots while still rewarding good shot.

Second, having gates (and the corresponding tree fence) reduces the randomness brought in by throwing circular objects (discs) between circular objects (trees). It really stinks to see a competitor throw a terrible shot and get a great kick right back to the perfect landing zone, but then you throw a shot that's 6" off at the very end of the fairway and you get a terrible kick. DG will always have randomness (we're throwing circular objects between circular objects), but I think reducing it here is good course design.

(A third benefit is the ability to have spectators clearly see the shots)

What are some other good elements of design you have noticed?
 
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Lolololol the Jomez intro with Ricky and Ari for round 1.

She says point blank the woooooo isn't going anywhere.

It's not going anywhere, but they've obviously heard the complaints and I do believe it's going to be dialed back a bit from here forward. Ricky canned a 38 footer for par yesterday and she somehow resisted her urge to WOOOO WOO WOOOOOO.
 
So many high scores and OB throws on hole 2 in FPO and i don´t really get why. . par is good, ONE player has made a birdy and a par gain strockes on the field.
so WHY do they play it SO aggressive? . . ONE player in the field under par, just feels like they try to hard
 
So many high scores and OB throws on hole 2 in FPO and i don´t really get why. . par is good, ONE player has made a birdy and a par gain strockes on the field.
so WHY do they play it SO aggressive? . . ONE player in the field under par, just feels like they try to hard

Paige for sure.
 
Anyone else notice that Nolan Ramser killed the field yesterday in strokes gained on drives, and was putrid on the green?

Not quite Evalina/Henna level difference, but still pretty stark
 
Hole 1 is not good as a first hole.

Two main points to me—the layup is pretty useless in Kansas winds. It's a small island green, why add in the elevated basket?

Hole 1 sets a tone for the round and the tone is this round is not going to be fun.

The gap and the island itself are a nice design.
 
FPO looks interesting so far. Very tightly bunched at the top. Paige fell a bit, Kristin having a good round and climbing toward the top. Some new faces, like Kat Mertsch, and vets like Jen Allen doing well. Kona fell a bit down the ladder today.
 
Tell me Worlds isnt on this layout. The most boring course Ive yet watched. Some good par 3s. Snooze golf.

Also, Ive come to loathe the Jomez hole 1 featurettes. MAYBE if there is an interesting player who we arent familiar with yet. But to listen to blah blah blah about their significant others etc. I came to watch disc golf to be played, not a telenovela. Sure, you can skip it but its just driving me up the wall. Next they will have Heimburgs goldfish on there for 2 minutes.
 
Tell me Worlds isnt on this layout. The most boring course Ive yet watched. Some good par 3s. Snooze golf.

Also, Ive come to loathe the Jomez hole 1 featurettes. MAYBE if there is an interesting player who we arent familiar with yet. But to listen to blah blah blah about their significant others etc. I came to watch disc golf to be played, not a telenovela. Sure, you can skip it but its just driving me up the wall. Next they will have Heimburgs goldfish on there for 2 minutes.

I am guessing it is. They may tweek the OB some. Hey, at least it is a free offering from DGN. :gross: :wall:
 
Not that often that not a single player from the lead card will stay on the lead card, and most of them did not even make 2nd card..
 
Tell me Worlds isnt on this layout. The most boring course Ive yet watched. Some good par 3s. Snooze golf.

Also, Ive come to loathe the Jomez hole 1 featurettes. MAYBE if there is an interesting player who we arent familiar with yet. But to listen to blah blah blah about their significant others etc. I came to watch disc golf to be played, not a telenovela. Sure, you can skip it but its just driving me up the wall. Next they will have Heimburgs goldfish on there for 2 minutes.

I FF that. It is nice of them to add in the break points for the different segments.
 
Also, Ive come to loathe the Jomez hole 1 featurettes. MAYBE if there is an interesting player who we arent familiar with yet. But to listen to blah blah blah about their significant others etc. I came to watch disc golf to be played, not a telenovela. Sure, you can skip it but its just driving me up the wall. Next they will have Heimburgs goldfish on there for 2 minutes.

If we wish disc golf to become popular like baseball, millions of fans, events with 50.000 fans in attendance, millions of dollars in merchandising, billions in TV contracts....we must make the "faces of our game" recognizable and connected to our viewers.

Of course, nobody is watching, outside of some disc golfers....who I feel safe in saying, are already familiar with the players they are getting "up close and personal" with. Putting the tournaments behind a paywall ensures this.
 
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