Stop using the power pocket, Stop it!

[sidewinder22]

Did he even throw the disc in these photos or was it "pretend throw for demonstration?" from what i recall (and i could be wrong) he didnt throw in this video, tis been removed from his channel now so i can not confirm.

 

[sidewinder22]

this

That ^ disclaimer is not on most of his videos, like the one below.

Did he even throw the disc in these photos or was it "pretend throw for demonstration?" from what i recall (and i could be wrong) he didnt throw in this video, tis been removed from his channel now so i can not confirm.

The video is still up. Here he is in that video demonstrating how he rotates his left side in the way and how he tries to avoid that rounding by reaching way out, but you can see how his disc is behind his left shoulder which really is rounding. Compared to Paul and every other top pro that has their shoulders still closed to target in the power pocket so that the disc has space to come into the chest and load in more behind the front shoulder/elbow with the left shoulder out of the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrjU-SSwXhQ#t=3m48s

Here's the birdeye throw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrjU-SSwXhQ#t=8m11s

 

[Brychanus]

Also wanted to point out the consequence of spin-shifting and the internal torque you'd prefer to have through the legs/hips.

In that image SW shared notice that Paul gets stacked with a bit of his stagger stride (e.g., door frame drills) positioned to leverage the front hip/post up and away from the target. You can see how this dynamic posture is much better at balancing your body while swinging:

I think Paul's an interesting and good example/foil for SS because McBeth tends to get his weight a little more forward than many pros & follow through more on the ball of the foot, but all the big mechanical pieces are there. Due to his spin-shift, SS also gets forward, but needs to use a much harder (and less reliable-looking) brace process to trap any momentum. Looks a little rougher on the back to my eye fwiw.

When SS enters follow through you can see the consequence of getting the swing out ahead of the hips. When his plant lands, he has to resist the ground hard in the plant, and his tilted axis is flattened out because part of his brace is just helping prevent his body from going flying forward off balance, which is also why his leg swings around a bit more wild into the follow through than top throwers. Notice how this throws the relative angles of his spine and plant leg out of whack, and his tilted axis is quite different than Paul's. I can't get perfect comparisons but here are a few examples.

Some of Paul's throws and slightly different rear angles:

 

[Sheep]

I could never do a dead lift until I realized it is the core and legs that anchor the movement, not the foot.

I had a bad trainer who tried teaching me to use my feet to support the movement. This was putting too much strain on my feet and causing balance issues.

I did my own research and once I started focusing on the core, everything else fell into place. There are many transferable concepts across many athletic endeavors. There is no sense in reinventing the wheel.

That's one of my largest points.
We got a wheel, it works. We can make the wheel run smoother, that's all were looking for to happen. How to make the wheel turn effortless.

The joke is the dude is trying to re-invent the wheel.


As for the body/core/feet thing.
It makes sense, though, your feet are still important. Your legs cannot do much of anything with them, but they are not super strong lifting muscles. You use them for balance while lifting, not for power. Gotta let them do their job so everythign else can do what it supposed to do.

 

[Sheep]

Here's the birdeye throw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrjU-SSwXhQ#t=8m11s

All I can think about with the hugging things now is "stop hugging yourself, stop hugging yourself"
Like when you take your buddies hand by the wrist and start slapping him with his own hand. "stop hitting yourself."


My new discgolf teaching shirt. "Hug trees, not yourself"

 

[seedlings]

The reason T's videos contradict thoughtful descriptions of the disc golf throw is so that his instruction will seem different. By seeming different it can be perceived/marketed as better. If T taught throwing similarly to SW22/OT, there would no reason to watch him, let alone pay him.

Note: I'm not saying OT and SW22 are 100% the same (they're not), only that there is significant overlap when compared to T. I said a year or two ago that someone would eventually come in and do very solid Disc Golf from teaching WITH high quality production. SW22 has best content for teaching throw mechanics. OT has the best mix of teaching and production. T has neither (which also sets him apart, lol).

 

[Sheep]

The reason T's videos contradict thoughtful descriptions of the disc golf throw is so that his instruction will seem different. By seeming different it can be perceived/marketed as better. If T taught throwing similarly to SW22/OT, there would no reason to watch him, let alone pay him.

Note: I'm not saying OT and SW22 are 100% the same (they're not), only that there is significant overlap when compared to T. I said a year or two ago that someone would eventually come in and do very solid Disc Golf from teaching WITH high quality production. SW22 has best content for teaching throw mechanics. OT has the best mix of teaching and production. T has neither (which also sets him apart, lol).

While I think Josh does a good job. I think he misses a ton of important stuff.
The main reason that he has the following he does now though is because the production quality is SO high. Not to put aside anything else though. Some of his initial video's are things that a few of us have been teaching for a long while, but there were not high production quality videos out there on them.
So it brought a draw to everyone as "something new" which is what you're talking about there.
Partnered along with the production quality people are gonna instantly subscribe because the video's are enjoyable to watch.

Most disc golf content is the same thing being explained different ways. And thats fine. We each have our methods.

But it's also pretty important to recognize if you're doing it out of passion or for a paycheck.

And.. While OT does put out good content. They are doing it for a paycheck. Otherwise they would be in places like this trying to gleen every little bit of information out there by talking shop all the time with everyone to get the largest picture possible.

Thats really what makes SW so dangerous. He's watched it all from so many sports that he has a brain chocked full of bad and good info to make him an authority of information.

You can only get that by study and discussion.
Sailing your own way will never get you there, ... well you might get there eventually, but its way easier if you talk with others along the way.

 

[M1glareN]

He's back with 20 minutes of goodies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqWCYliXLxA

 

[Sheep]

He's back with 20 minutes of goodies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqWCYliXLxA

"goodies"...

I love how he's talking about this bag leg stuff and paul does this, and his example of paul, as i struggle through this video almost to 7 minutes.
And paul is completely front braced. And he's talking about how paul throws like him... ugh.

 

[M1glareN]

Was hoping for your reaction.

I quite liked in the beginning where he showed shoulder rotation and ended up resembling Shusterick and Eagle and saying that it's bad.

Reading the comments on the video made my man-cold ridden brain melt.

 

[timothy42b]

Is this S&T with better production values?

 

[sidewinder22]

Is this S&T with better production values?

There are some similarities, but it's a different animal with some conflicting fundamentals between the two methods.

 

[Jaani]

Nobody even knows what the Spin and Throw is. Not even the admins. It's been changing since the inauguration, and now the Spin and Throw chat is basically referring to my videos...which would have been impossible two years ago. I think even Brad himself ditched the back leg rotation stuff sometime before he vanished.

So yea, nobody knows what that method is about anymore.

 

[Sheep]

Was hoping for your reaction.

I quite liked in the beginning where he showed shoulder rotation and ended up resembling Shusterick and Eagle and saying that it's bad.

Reading the comments on the video made my man-cold ridden brain melt.

aww come on.
Nobody actually "wants" to read my soap box rants.

Everyone just complains about things I say and wants to argue about it.

You should see the chat I'm in where I'm being told

its not better its just different. i would like you all take a full year off and get in shape and do yoga 3x a week, and exercise and try to use his method. then **** on him if you think hes full of it..

For me to be successful and make his method work, the method that NO person out there but him and a few of his students try to use.
I must be in "shape" before I can criticize his method that has been proven wrong with millions of dollars in study in ball golf and baseball as well as other sports.

Yeah. Hard Pass.
Now come here so I can whip the living Sh8$t out of you and show you how "in shape" I am.

Cause I know he's not as "in shape" as I am, and your average disc golfer is not as "in shape" as I am.

 

[drk_evns]

*cringe*

 

[Sheep]

*cringe*

I will say this about his content.

It's help me solidify some mechanics in ways that I can CRUSH your soul when it comes to explaining them.

Multiple examples to illustrate and better define the stupidity of why you don't do this.

And then its still funny to hear people "You're just not in good enough shape to make his method work" hahahahahaha

Right-o.

We'll take a quick look at my usertag here.
It's not sheep as a joke or a whatever.
I am a professional sheep shearer.
If you want to see how "in shape" I am, please come with me shearing for a day.

Then comment on my "in shape."

Cause I've even took some badass dudes with me previously shearing and they were like "I wont ever screw with you." hahaha

Nothing like seeing some bad dude watch me make a 400lb animal my biznitch to just humble them a little.

 

[drk_evns]

"speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"

 

[Sheep]

"speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"

Read my signature quote. =)

 

[RowingBoats]

Are there any super high quality satirical disc golf tutorial channels out there?

Seems like such a good idea lol.

 

[VictorB]

I will say this about his content.

It's help me solidify some mechanics in ways that I can CRUSH your soul when it comes to explaining them.

Multiple examples to illustrate and better define the stupidity of why you don't do this.

And then its still funny to hear people "You're just not in good enough shape to make his method work" hahahahahaha

Right-o.

We'll take a quick look at my usertag here.
It's not sheep as a joke or a whatever.
I am a professional sheep shearer.
If you want to see how "in shape" I am, please come with me shearing for a day.

Then comment on my "in shape."

Cause I've even took some badass dudes with me previously shearing and they were like "I wont ever screw with you." hahaha

Nothing like seeing some bad dude watch me make a 400lb animal my biznitch to just humble them a little.

yeah well my dad can beat up your dad