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Yep, I think you hit it with the 'relax into it' thing. Its not actually relaxing but that is way closer than punching down.you're better off trying to do nothign with your off arm and keeping it by your side than trying to actively do anything with it.
you're better off trying to do nothign with your off arm and keeping it by your side than trying to actively do anything with it.
It seems like the moves that help people commit the swing from the rear side inside their posture generates a lot of the force because it also helps collect the momentum into the plant and brace while committing into the swing. Hopefully the swim part occurs naturally in that context.
Getting the rear side with the elbow assisting the shift into the plant is very important (~9:42):
Yep, I think you hit it with the 'relax into it' thing. Its not actually relaxing but that is way closer than punching down.
Punching down to me is like telling someone that when balancing on a wire with a pole in their hand, they need to move the pole in some specific pattern that isn't 100% governed by balanced leverage. It just doesn't make sense on its face as a concept.
Do you think I shouldn't worry about it b/c it's fine as is?
These two throws are my natural off-arm movement when I don't think about it:
okay interesting. I learned something.You are missing or late on the first part of the swim move bringing the elbow into hip with heel plant. You let the rear elbow fly really far out, maybe to help counter balance out-of-balance condition and/or to help rotate upperbody to make up for lack of lowerbody coil.
Cool, thanks. Yeah I was going for max distance here so I was trying to coil more than usual which probably resulted in my off arm swinging back more. I think on my more comfortable power shots it stays a bit closer at this point but I'd have to double check.You are missing or late on the first part of the swim move bringing the elbow into hip with heel plant. You let the rear elbow fly really far out, maybe to help counter balance out-of-balance condition and/or to help rotate upperbody to make up for lack of lowerbody coil.
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Can you please elaborate the criticisms?If that's your off arm, you're doing it well enough I'd not mess with it. You're already doing the swim move.
There is nothing overly aggressive you can do with the off arm that will get you better distance or what not.
If I was to criticize anything on your swing its your brace, leading elbow and how compact your pocket is.
Otherwise it looks pretty okay for an advanced level. anything really is nitpicky stuff.
okay interesting. I learned something.
Need to apply this myself. My off arm is horrendous.
okay, so then he's only doing it half way. I'm off. I don't really try and look into it to deeply, just get it close sorta thing.
I could, however.. I don't wanna have a "coach off" on a thread about the off arm swim move.Can you please elaborate the criticisms?
Got it, it's just a tease to even mention it if have no intention to get into it, hah. Just leaves me wondering now.I could, however.. I don't wanna have a "coach off" on a thread about the off arm swim move.
SW might have some different idea's on what you need to do on your swing. And that would be better suited for the actual form forum and a new post there.
This is one of those perfectly simple statements that might actually help someone feel it.If you do the swim move properly during your swing, in my mind it almost seems like your arms/hands are essentially ripping or tearing something apart.
Not sure if that makes sense for anyone else?
Got it, it's just a tease to even mention it if have no intention to get into it, hah. Just leaves me wondering now.
Just saw this, looks like Holyn thinks of it as a punch down, unless she's changed her view since this vid.
I never saw anyone call it a punch down before but that's how I was thinking of it since that's how it first looked to me on the people who keep it more to their side instead of bringing it across the abdomen.
Yeah…..she puts a pulley up and says punch down, but the logical result of that would be the other arm moving up…….Pros (and all of us) say a lot of nonsense that isn't actually true. This is one of those statements about a movement that just doesn't end up making sense if you think about it for a minute though no? What would literally punching down accomplish, even in theory?
Yeah it can definitely look like that with how it's oriented on the screen, but since the throwing arm isn't hanging down towards the ground, the pull is going across the upper back horizontally and so the throwing arm is pulled more across instead of up. This is how it feels to me when I hunch forward and shadow the move, I feel a clear tug going horizontally.Yeah…..she puts a pulley up and says punch down, but the logical result of that would be the other arm moving up…….
Seems like swim move would create a horizontal vector but punching down would be vertical.
I can't quite tell but are you defending the 'punch down' concept and also including a pulley being an accurate representation of the forces at play with the off arm?Yeah it can definitely look like that with how it's oriented on the screen, but since the throwing arm isn't hanging down towards the ground, the pull is going across the upper back horizontally and so the throwing arm is pulled more across instead of up. This is how it feels to me when I hunch forward and shadow the move, I feel a clear tug going horizontally.