JR
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I would imagine self castration by putting would attract more viewers in the extreme and feminist crowds
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Mark Ellis said:With no falling putt rule the "run and jump" putts would be entertaining as heck...
Mark Ellis said:You know players with speed, hang time and perhaps intoxication would try to jump over the basket and dunk it between their legs as they sailed by...
JHern said:I also think we should get rid of the 10m circle and allow falling putts. That will cut out a lot of complicated rules.
Chuck Kennedy said:The problem is the deadfall putt would then be allowed where the tall player just falls toward the basket from say 8 feet away, reaches out and slam dunks the putt while still keeping their stance behind the marker before face planting on the ground.
andrew said:
This doesn't make sense to me. The disc passed the tree on the correct side, and never came back across the line in a way for the player to miss the mando. It's clearly correct with no ambiguity at all.JimW said:I don't think the bottom shot in the picture is correct. Because the disc hit a tree and bounced back behind the missed line it needs to pass to the correct side of the mando again on its way to the basket. That seems to be the main point of this change, there is no longer any such thing as "making the mando". You always have to pass to the correct side of the mando no matter what happened on any previous shot.
The easiest way to put it I think is that any shot that ever goes over the "missed line" is invalid, period.
Thanks for the reply. So you are saying that in the pic below the green disc has established a position completely beyond the [missed] mandatory line? I think that is somewhat of a stretch (since the green disc is closer to the tee than the missed mandatory line is).Chuck Kennedy said:There's no requirement that the direction of the line on one side of the mando be the same as the other side 804.02A(1). While it's normally straight through (default position), there are reasons why the designer/TD might have the Missed Mando line angle differently from the Made Mando line (and as noted, this line isn't really needed.) So when the 804.02B refers to missing on the incorrect side, it's only referencing the line on the Missed side when indicating AND staying beyond that line. We agree that there are two lines involved that may be in the same direction but are differentiated by calling one the Missed side and the other the Made side. I agree the RC could have made it more clear if they used the word "that" instead of "the" as the 3rd last word of 804.02B.
804.02E speaks of a line connecting the lies, not a line consisting of the flight paths. It is pretty clear from the picture that the purple line connecting the lies for the orange disc does not pass to the correct sides of all mandatories for the hole. Therefore, the way the rule is currently written, the bottom route is not legal.Chuck Kennedy said:While it might make sense, it's not the way the rule is currently written. The bottom route is currently legal.
That is, assuming a perfect high-noon sun.PMantle said:Odd # of shadows on the good side of the tree are good. Even number of shadows on the good side are bad. Any shadow on the bad side is bad. :mrgreen:
Chuck Kennedy said:2 meter rule has been optional since 2006. They just added a category called Discretionary Rules to organize the rules better. The important change is if your disc has been seen by the group to come to rest in the tree, your mark is under that spot on the ground regardless if it drops out of the tree before you get to it. If the 2m rule is in effect that means you'll get the penalty even if it drops before you get there.
Question 9: Disc Falls Before Arriving
A competitor's tee shot lands 20 feet up in a tree that is fully in bounds. As he is promptly walking to the tree, the disc falls to the ground. However, at least four minutes have elapsed since the disc came to rest in the tree. What is the ruling?
A) One throw penalty, 2-meter rule violation since that is where the disc came to rest.
B) Play the disc from where it lies, no penalty.
C) Play the disc from where it lies, but with a one throw penalty since the disc was up in the tree longer than the allowed 3 minute search time.
D) Play the disc from a point directly underneath the tree, where the disc originally came to rest, no penalty.
E) Re-tee, add one penalty throw.
If the 2m rule is in effect that means you'll get the penalty even if it drops before you get there.