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Bedford, VA

Independence Park

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Bennybennybenny
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4.00 star(s)

Testing The Waters 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Dec 11, 2020 Played the course:once

Pros:

Before I get into this review. Let me say when I played here, the #'s on the tee signs were in what used to be called the tournament layout. Meaning what was originally #6 is now the first hole, #7 is now #2 and so forth. The old #1 is now #14, old #5 is now the finisher. So when you see the shorter hole over the water, you'll see the tee sign labeled as hole one.

-As soon as I pulled in, I had a feeling that Venhorst was going to be more about disc golf than anything else. I was right. There aren't really any extracurricular activities here. It's just an awesome disc golf course. The location is very tranquil and apposite for a top notch course being around some ponds on a hilly piece of land. The first hole goes right into it being over the pond off of an elevated pad from the long. The short pad is at the bottom of the hill right at the bank, making the pond more clearable. The basket (in both pins) is tucked in the woods on the other side of the pond and over a hill with a rocky face, making you want to throw high enough so you won't hit the rock and roll down the hill.

-The second hole is a hard par four up a big hill in one of the more open spots of the course. Even from the short pad, this is a pro par four. The next hole (#3) is a big downhill par three. I played the longs and it was 366' long in the B position. I threw a putter and parked it. From the short pad, it was 305' and still a long way downhill to the pin. A very fun hole to throw multiple drives on! #4 was for me, one of the toughest holes from the longs. It was deceiving because of its fairway. You throw off a steep hill (similar to the previous hole except smaller), and the fairway has a creek in play right in the middle. It's casual water, meaning if you go in there it is not out of bounds. The green is guarded by some trees. The initial gap was difficult for me to hit. I threw a fairway driver when I should've thrown a mid. This was a neat hole too. The first four holes really show the elevation this course has to offer, there is more throughout the course though.

-The tee signs and diagrams are drawn out and accurate. Looked cool on the black rubber. The tee pads are nice too.

-Uniqueness. I am a big fan of Paul McBeth; he's always been one of my favorite pros and the ideas he had with some of the greens make this a destination course. Those pins are more frequent in the A pins. When I played, the baskets were in the B pins so I didn't get to play the island greens on #5 and #8, but I did enjoy #10's green on the ridge. #13's green was nice too around the bricks and next to a fence.

-Continuing on #13. This hole is truly amazing! 667' from the long and 570' from the short. A gorgeous par four off of a hill in the clear. The hole is a dogleg right par four. The woods in play are punishing enough but a little more forgiving than some other parts of the course. Once you get to the landing zone, you want to avoid the OB fence and the road. Basket is down the trail. Just a beautiful and all around, top notch hole.

-Flexibility. There are two sets of tees. If you decide to play the longs and the pins are located in the A positions, you are going to have a hardcore challenge. The short pads are still difficult to those pins even though the holes aren't as long. I played the long pads to the B pins and they were slightly easier, but the course was still very difficult. However, the short pads to the B pins are more typical and forgiving. None of the holes on that layout would play much over par for pros if any would at all.

-If you play the longs, the deck you get to tee of on #8 is very neat.

-The last two holes are very fun over the water. #17 is a nice downhill par three out of the woods with the B pin being maybe only 20' past the bank. #18 is on the other side of the pond and plays back over. The B pin is a 540' par four down a pretty large hill just begging the bigger arms to try and reach it. The A pin is a 435' par three and straighter ahead from the pad, making the pond easier to clear. Basket was in the 540' pin and I tried to go for the eagle, but it anhyzered too much because of a headwind and I lost a disc in there. It floated, I jumped in there after taking off my shirt and shoes, and got out because the mud at the bottom was soft and quick and the disc was maybe 60' from the bank. Didn't want my nipples to freeze. Course ends with real temptation that could end grand or end on a sour note. Just don't go in the pond if it's winter.

Cons:

-This is a destination course that has some epic holes, but there were a few that didn't work well for me. #11 and #12 were both weird short holes with bizarre fairways. I managed to be a few feet from the pin on #11 but that was the perfect disc with lucky timing. The gap off the long pad is very small and the fairway turns instantly. A slight hyzer. #12 was very weird in the 215' pin. The tee shot isn't too funky, but the hole plays as a small dogleg and there's no real landing zone to the pin. Just a bunch of trees you want to sneak past.

-#9 in the A pin feels almost like a softer par four. I never played it, but I did see the marker. If you saw the youtube video that Foundation Disc Golf posted with Brodie and Paul, you know that Paul said he was only able to reach it once before. I know the long pads to A pins are the toughest layout; even is probably 990 rated. But this hole, as well as #15 in the longer pin demand a little too much. Over 400', tight, and fade. #15 was insanely hard being over 400' as well and the green being well guarded after requiring a slow and long accurate right to left shot. Not to mention, the rough is probably the roughest on this hole. Just too much to deal with to be a par three.

-Beware of traffic when you pull in and pull out. Not a con on the course at all, but just on pathway to enter and depart. The gravel road is very narrow and can't fit two cars going in opposite directions. It's about a quarter mile long. A previous reviewer brought up the limited parking and that's very true. If I were playing in a tournament here, I'd leave home early to try and find a secure spot so that I wouldn't have to park in an uncomfortable or hazardous spot next to the hill or on the path because of overflow.

-Slip hazards on the tee pads. Hole #4 from the long pad is off a steep hill that instantly drops a near 25' in elevation from the get go. If you play after a rainfall, be VERY careful on this pad or you could really get hurt. #18's long pad is sketchy too in that context. The short pads aren't quite as treacherous because none of them are on hills that immediately drop at the end of the pad, but it still hurts to fall.

Other Thoughts:

-I really love Venhorst. It's a challenge that I strongly enjoy because of its originality with some of its greens and the elevation that comes with it. However, with the land it is on, I think it could be better than it is now. #15 was the main hole I disliked because it's long, dense, somewhat tight, and very unforgiving. A three would feel like a birdie. It'd be one of the easier holes on the course if it was a par four, but I still think it'd be harder than a few holes even from the longs to A pins if it was a par four.

-#13 is by a long streak, the greatest hole I have played in the state of Virginia. No question about it. I haven't played many courses in Virginia yet, but this hole is truly fantastic. Obviously my favorite hole on the course. I loved the big uphill par four on #2 and the huge downhill on #3. The downhill water holes made a very gorgeous ending. Those water holes are an indication that Venhorst is not at all for casual players. It's a course strictly designed for serious players that have some distance because it takes good amount of distance to clear the water on both #17 and #18. You could argue that there is a lay up option, and you'd be correct but laying up will frustrate players with limited distance when that is their only viable option.

-I know that some starters may come here anyway. If you are a beginner, do NOT play here!! Please wait and take the time to improve your distance and accuracy. It'll come with practice and dedication, but this course is not a stepping stone for starters looking to improve. Taking on this course as a beginner would be like a modernized and the more predictable version of David and Goliath. Sorry, but it wouldn't be a fun experience. It'll take more than one great shot to score well here. If you are seeing improvement in your game, I'd recommend you play the short pads because the course is still hard from the shorts.

-To all open players, come on out! Venhorst is a whole lot of fun!! Glad I drove four and a half hours to play it! If you lost a disc you throw well with, you'll want to replace it before coming to Venhorst. Again, it's awesome but you don't want to play here without the disc you are the most comfortable with.
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BrotherDave
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4.00 star(s)

More like "Flaw" McBeth 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Aug 30, 2020 Played the course:once

Pros:

Okay, the clickbait title was just a joke, settle down McBeth fan boys. This is actually a great course that is ideally suited for players that like a wooded challenge. Not to beat around the bush but you're gonna beat around the bush a lot if you leave the fairway here.

Baskets are Dynamic Veterans which IMO are some of the best around. Short tees are made of large pavers and work great. Long aka McBeth tees are very large turf tees. The tee signs are very unique; flat pieces of slate-looking stone with illustrations painted on them.

The terrain-wise the course is a smorgasbord of challenging features. Very hilly land where flat footing is a rare novelty on many fairways. Pesky creeks that may or may not be OB. A small pond is cleverly used for 3 daunting water carries. Occasional grass covered fairways and of course, 90% of Bedford's trees (stat completely made up).

This course is very reminiscent of a private course you'd encounter in the foothills or mountains of the Carolinas. A gazillion trees, extremely punishing rough and frequent elevation change are your constant nemesis. Even entering the secluded, out of the way park feels like you're arriving at someone's private course.

The McBeth designed long tees to long pins, which I played because I'm an idiot, are as you would expect quite arduous. The hole length to par ratio is out of most players' league in terms of expecting a birdie or even a par, i.e. 400'+ wooded par 3's. If you can't lace a narrow, long fairway with a driver you are going to have a bad time. You also need to be in decent shape as getting to some of these long tees requires trudging up very steep slopes.

This course tests golfers to throw all the basic shot shapes very precisely. From a flex forehand to carry the first pond hole to perfectly flipped to flat putters or mids on the many downhill gauntlets here. Some of these holes have greens that are extremely difficult to reach off the tee without some sort of flaring skip. In short it's a very difficult course to play if you're playing blind.

Cons:

Overall I think McBeth did a great job. However there are some things to mention here.

Some of these holes have very indistinct fairways. Hole 17 looks like a total crapshoot from the tee. Hole 16 is also confusing off the tee because the dirt road that goes down the right side is arguably wider than the actual fairway. This hole requires a very specific line off the tee which is a common trait of this course. Unlike most holes where there's "more than one way to skin a cat," McBeth seems to favor the "my way or the highway" method. Virtually all of the completely wooded holes require a line that needs to stay within a 2.5' square area throughout the entire fairway. In other words, you have a very slim margin for error for missing McBeth's intended line.

Some of this and other drawbacks to the course will be abated with time as the course gets broken in and trees die and fall out of the way. For the time being, when you leave the fairway you can expect few if any scrambling opportunities. For example, you can be within the circle on hole 6 and not even have a way to pitch out for a par.

The more open holes I think could be improved with some limb trimming; especially hole 7 where the uphill approach is very pinched off at a tight angle due to the limbs along the fairway. All of the water carries had some branches poking uncomfortably into the gap. Normally that's just part and parcel of wooded disc golf but when barely grazing a leaf can be the difference between landing dry or wet it becomes much less desirable.

Some steps cut into the steep approaches to many of the long tees would be greatly appreciated. A couple of them I'm not sure would be passable if they were wet because of the red clay.

Other Thoughts:

So if you find yourself in Bedford and you fancy yourself a small gap hitting machine you will love this course. If you're not a woods wizard you'll still enjoy this course because it's very lovely varied terrain, creek, and pond in play makes it an upper tier course. I know the design is solid because my brother, who never beats me, almost did simply because he did a vastly better job of staying on the fairway than I did, aka "golf."

I can also tell you that if you play Mayflower Hills before you play here that you will be worn out. This is not a course you want to tackle with dead legs or low energy.

I can easily see myself raising the rating of this course in the future as the rough gets beaten in where it's not so punitive and maybe if the fairways open up a bit. It's also a course you'll appreciate after more rounds as you learn the lines.
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