Josh, let me try to clarify how Tall Firs is designed. I agree with you that -17, much less -22, seems kind of silly. That's because the Red tees are really designed for beginners, and the par listed is beginner par. I noticed from the PDGA website that you started playing Advanced late last year. So I would say that for an experienced player like you, it's not just that the pars are weird -- the HOLES are weird. All the par fours will be 'tweeners (shot-and-a-half holes) for guys like you.

I would think you'd find the Blue tees to be a more appropriate challenge. I have talked to Paul, the owner, about someday putting in White tees (in between Red and Blue), which might even be better for you. As for 300' par threes, I'm not sure what you mean. From the Reds the par threes are all give or take 200', and the par fours are all give or take 400' (except for the uphill holes).

I'd love to hear what you think of the Blue tees, and maybe you'll reconsider your low rating. Thanks.