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Viroqua, WI

Veteran Hills

4.275(based on 13 reviews)
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EspressoPatronum
Gold level trusted reviewer
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Experience: 18.8 years 256 played 243 reviews
3.50 star(s)

SW Wisconsin Terrain

Reviewed: Played on:Mar 2, 2024 Played the course:once

Pros:

- great elevation change
- lots of mature trees create challenge and necessary shot shaping
- some open holes mixed in with technical challenge
- nice Dynamic Discs baskets in good shape
- navigation is fairly straightforward; good use of next tee indicators
- nice concrete tees
- area mostly devoted to disc golf with high quality scenery
- dual concrete tees on some holes
- well maintained, especially for a privately owned course
- tee signs have color maps and are generally serviceable
- brooms at every tee for clearing pads
- nice built in screen to protect tee area for hole 15
- practice basket
- nice variety of hole lengths

Cons:

- a few areas with some backtracking
- website for donations seemed to be malfunctioning
- some punishing rough with thorny areas
- a few long walks between holes, though generally well marked
- a few minor safety hazards with trails crossing fairways
- navigation between 16 and 17 is a bit confusing

Other Thoughts:

Veteran Hills is a beautiful course in southwestern Wisconsin that is perhaps less well known because of the iconic Justin Trials a little ways to the north. It is close enough it's worth making a day of it here, at Justin Trails, and hitting The Pines in Cashton in between (guess what I did).

While Veteran Hills is objectively a very nice course, it didn't quite wow me in any particular way and I ended up scoring it about a 3.75. Justin Trails is the superior property in the area, although if you prefer more technical woods golf, Veteran Hills might have a slight edge in that category alone.

Elevation change is quite good here, and I particularly noticed it on holes 11 and 14. Hole 11 throws uphill, but the tee is dropped down a couple of feet from the earth around it so you really have to pull up and out of it. This was a fairly unique shot. Hole 14 is an awesome downhill shot into a ravine which is always fun.

Unlike most courses, this course had no garbage cans anywhere on the course and was specifically marked as a pack it out, pack it in course. I'm all for this design if people will honor it. The course was very clean so overall I was impressed.

Other amenities were decent, with a practice basket and solid tees, signs, and baskets. I didn't note any benches; as I recall it was only a few natural log benches but I may have just forgotten to make a note.

The hilly, shadowed terrain here can definitely hang onto some snow late in the season and I saw a few patches in early March despite temperatures going above 50. You'll get a bit of a workout here but it's not the intense terrain of Justin Trails. Still, the elevation change is excellent for southern Wisconsin.

There were a few trails crossing fairways I didn't love; it was pretty deserted for me but it was also 7 AM. Otherwise the area is devoted to disc golf. Navigation was mostly great with next tee signs, but there were a few confusing areas and a little backtracking. The only really annoying aspect was the very long walk from hole 17 to hole 18... feel like another 1-2 holes could have been installed here. Overall, the layout of this course is very good and uses the available terrain well. Many of the tees were shared, but some did have separate blue and red concrete tees which adds some more variety. If you like longer holes, the blue tees are a better option, but the red tees are still plenty challenging (I'd consider this more of a white and blue setup, personally).

Unfortunately, I couldn't get the website to allow me to leave the suggested donation. I didn't see a cash drop box or I would have just left cash - the owners might consider adding something like this.

This course has some good technical challenge and requires varied shots, but it is not especially dense in the woods. The middle of the course is quite open so there is a variety if you like more open holes. While most courses have very forgiving rough at the end of winter, this course has some persistent thorn thickets that you really don't want to mess with. Be on your guard. The plus side was in early March there were no signs of mosquitoes, ticks, etc.

Veteran Hills is definitely worth a stop, particularly if you like wooded and hilly courses. I think all of the 4.5 scores are giving it a bit too much credit personally, but it's a very fun course and well worth the trip.
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Mushin No Shin
Gold level trusted reviewer
Experience: 19.2 years 1192 played 67 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Southwestest Bestest drive by

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Oct 18, 2022 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

Veteran Hills Dgc is in the Driftless Region near the western end of the Ocooch Mountains, between the Mississippi and Kickapoo Rivers

Beautiful property for Disc Golf with a variety of woods and terrain... Designers used it masterfully to create a phenomenal Discing experience

Holes with both A & B greens, now have Veteran Baskets in BOTH Positions!

1 2 3 & 18 play thru BWalnuts and Pines. Good diversity of Lines, Distances, and use of Elevation. I love DG in Pine Forest, so this is a most excellent way to start and finish a Round

4 is Outstanding!!! One Tee and Basket used to Perfection

5 6 7 8 & 16 are more Gold Level holes. Great design using some more open spaces to offer some big shots aannd some bigger shots. But there's still plenty of Trees and Shrubberys in n along fairways, so you still have to execute your intended flight. Currently getting around the Pines & Shrubbery in the middle of Fairways is the main obstacle. Seems to always be a tight, wide, and high line available though, which is nice to have some options versus varying vinds

9 is a tricky Downhill bomber hole, with 2 very different blind Basket positions

10 & 11 play back in some HardWoods and offer very Fun and Tight opportunities for Birds versus some funky elevation

12 & 13 are big Uphill Huks with Baskets protected inside the Woodline, and a mix of Shrubbery and Trees along fairways. Great 'Blue Level' design mixing Open and Wooded features

14 is another example an Excellent DG Hole with a rememberable Look... Downhill Acerun x2
Nice with having the 2 Tees available, cause it basically plays like an extra wooded hole

Can't say enough about the Excellent Design. Not easy to create 18 Distinct holes. Such a great Variety of DG out at Veteran Hills

Teesigns, Concrete Tees, Benches, and an information Kiosk at the Practice Basket
Kiosk notes Basket Position and has Donation Box

Cons:

Not much to complain about here...

No Water to Feature in Design

Rolling Hills with moderate elevation... Tame Topography for the Driftless region, takes away from having Signature extreme 'Top of the World' Hole

Other Thoughts:

Played numerous Courses with a 420 hole, but this is the first time I've played a Kocain sponsored hole?!?!

First played here in December 15 with TallPaul, and the Course Rough was ROUGH! Course was still pretty newerish, and I felt it was overrated at 4 back then... but one could see the potential and understand the enthusiasm

Made it back here in October 20, and the Caretakers have worked this Dgc into a GEM. Veteran Hills is Superbly maintained, designed, and loved by the local DG Stewards.

Even made a November Roadtrip, detour through Viroqua, cause this course is worth it... and the Baskets were in the other Positions, making the second trip extra worthwhile :)

Oct 22
2 baskets now on like 11 of the holes!!

Such a great area of Wisco for so many activities, and having another championship caliber Dgc in the Driftless near Justin Trails is Phenomenal. Looking forward to seeing Veteran Hills continue to phenomenon-enon-n-on-n-on-n-on
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Jeremycubby
Experience: 2 played 1 reviews
5.00 star(s)

Beautiful Course 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Dec 6, 2020 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

Long and short wooded shots with wonderful tee pads. Makes you throw many shots within your bag and doesn't favor any one type of player! Open shots are here as well with some tough to reach but fair pin placements.

Cons:

Can be very muddy and slick when it's been raining or wet out. This course can also be slick in the winter time and has some pretty rough areas that can be almost impossible to throw out of and possibly lose a disc. A good throw will keep you out of danger though.

Other Thoughts:

Wonderful course with multiple pin placements for a shorter and longer course. I'd consider the longer pin placements championship level disc golf where lows scores would be tough and well earned!
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WisconsinDG Traveler
Experience: 105 played 7 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Best in the Southwest (Wisconsin) 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:May 26, 2018 Played the course:2-4 times

Pros:

+ Course design and layout is fantastic

+ Excellent use of wooded areas (holes 1-3 are fantastic, but I favor wooded/piney holes)

+ Significant amount of terrain and elevation variances and the layout often utilizes the terrain brilliantly

+ Two sets of tee pads on most holes

+ Tee pads are of significant size and are almost always well located fair and consistent

+ Although the tee signs do not provide the most detailed information, they are (from what I can tell) accurate and even informs the player(s) what pin position is currently in use. Overall, I never wondered where the basket was located.

+ Very well groomed (during my visits) with well-defined fairways (the local DG club does a fantastic job of keeping their prized course in great shape)

+ Some spectacular and well-designed pin placements

+ Albeit, the rough can be, well, rough I didn't find it unfair or unreasonable on any hole (hint: stay in the fairway!)

+ Even the more "open" holes utilize well placed obstacles, making it more fun and challenging than the typical long-bomb-competition style of so many open holes/courses (I don't typically find most open holes much fun, but these were!)

+ All of the holes are quite unique (in my opinion) and no two shots I threw were the same. Great variety!

+ Some really fun and interesting valley shots

+ Good practice basket to warm up with before starting the round

+ The VFW (onsite) has a decent bar that serves food as well, which comes in handy after a day of throwing plastic

Cons:

- Although I love wooded holes, hole 11 really has no lane to shoot for. As it stands now, it truly is a "spray and pray" shot from the tee

- Again, the rough can be insanely difficult to deal with and in many places the loss of a disc is not uncommon

- Although I don't mind it, there are a few spots that require a bit of a walk to the next hole

- Again, the tee signs are good, but for this caliber of course they could provide a bit more detail (I'm nitpicking here)

Other Thoughts:

Overall, this is one of the top 5 courses I've played (note: have not yet made it to Highbridge Hills, Sandy Point, Silver Creek, Blue Ribbon Pines, Zobel, Wilderness Campground, Mont du Lac, Fox Creek, etc.). [****UPDATE: I have recently played both Zobel and Wilderness Campground and both of those courses are a bit better than Veteran Hills.] In my opinion, Veteran Hills is the top course in Southwest Wisconsin (yes, even over Justin Trails). Although it is a bit of a drive for most, I believe it to be a worthwhile trip.
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JuStYwHaT
Experience: 8.9 years 3 played 3 reviews
4.50 star(s)

The Vet 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Jan 17, 2018 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

This course is a gem. Relatively new, the maintenance crew is continuing to make it better and better. Course has a great blend of technical wooded holes, as well as, long flat out bomber holes. With the addition of alternate tee and basket locations on several holes, soon to be all holes, this course is shaping up to be a must play in the state of WI!
Keep up the good work!

Cons:

On some holes, if you miss the fairway, you miss bad. It is jail in some spots. I'm sure that the volunteers that maintain this course will soon have some of this cleared up. There are no water features, but this course does fine without!

Other Thoughts:

If you play this course anytime, please stop in at thw VFW, located on thw property, and say thanks to thw staff.
The VFW donated the land on which this course lies. Support them, as they have given the opportunity for a great course in the heart of the Driftless region!
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ChuckHeiam
Experience: 3 played 3 reviews
4.00 star(s)

Veterans hills 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Aug 23, 2017 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

A fun mix of shots, lots of bench's.

Cons:

Short and simple the rough and stumps but this is a new course so that will work out with time. You really need to use spotters to speed up play and cut down on lost discs as it stands right now. In a few places it can be a bit confusing as to where to go next because there are numerous hiking paths in the area.

Other Thoughts:

This course plays a little longer than suits my skill level but I enjoy playing it we go there several times a year to play, especially for the big Winter Wizards event there which hs taken off in the last couple years. The course is right behind the VFW so there is a place to get food and drinks and have been very supportive of the course. This could easily be a championship level course and there is another less than a half hour away so it can be a hell of a weekend get away if you road trip and camp. Once the rough gets better I will raise my rating for the course for sure.
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huskerfan
Experience: 12.9 years 65 played 10 reviews
4.50 star(s)

2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Oct 17, 2016 Played the course:once

Pros:

This is one of those larger woodlands type courses that top caliber players enjoy, yet average plays would as well. Great mix of some really cool fairways and beautiful hilly Wisconsin scenery make this a must play course.
-Large cement pads.
-Well marked (new) fairway signs.
-Lot of next fairway direction arrows.
VFW, right there for a burger and beer!

Cons:

-Not really much to complain about, the barb wire to the left of 18 is marked.
Some small stumps has small flags marking them.
Ok, kinda nit picky, but some of fairways are spread out and understand to have nice fairways this can happen.

Other Thoughts:

To quote Kenny Bania from Seinfeld: .."it's the best Jerry, the best!!!!
Well, OK maybe not the BEST, but definitely one of the nicest courses I've played on. Congrats to all those that helped out!
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Money_Shot
Silver level trusted reviewer
Experience: 19.9 years 127 played 39 reviews
3.50 star(s)

True Rating of 3.75 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Jul 2, 2016 Played the course:once

Pros:

-There are some great layouts on a decent amount of holes. The designer of the course did a great job in my opinion of making holes fun, offering plenty of challenges while also giving some ace runs. Solid design out here

-Signage did a good job at indicating where the next hole was which was important with some of the walks between holes on this course. Arrows on trees indicated direction of next hole.

-Some decent scenery to throw in.

-Decent baskets that all catch well.

-Nice variety of hole lengths and a great variety of wooded and open holes as well as some great elevation shots.

Cons:

-Unmarked Barbed wire 5 feet off fairway on hole 18. I threw a shot slightly in the rough down near the basket, when I went to putt I brought my arm back only to get stabbed by a rusty barb wire fence blending in with the shrubs I had my back against. This is unacceptable, wire that close to the fairway needs to be marked by bright ribbons or signs. After my round I had to stop by a gas station to get a bandage and antibiotic as the rusty fence pierced my skin with ease.

-Early holes on the course had very difficult rough with chopped shrubs and trees pushed to the rough, making a bad shot difficult and brutal (see thorns below) to find.

-The rough out here contains several different species of some brutal thorns. Not only should you be concerned about getting snagged on a hidden rusty barb wire fence, these things punish shots off the fairway throughout the course. Plain and simple, the rough out here is about as rough as it gets, WEAR PANTS and LONG SLEEVES.

-There are stumps throughout most fairways. Watch your step out here, get too complacent and you will be doing a nose dive onto other stumps. They clearly had to "cut" this course out in about 50% of the course, making chopped stumps common.

-signs weren't always accurate for the hole design. The signs for the hole design are general curvy lines to give a guy an idea of where the hole is. I don't have a problem with basic signs giving basic hole designs, but at least be accurate on the sign. There are no trees shown on the signs, making it difficult to determine where the break (dogleg) happens etc. We found ourselves walking halfway up the fairway to find the baskets on several holes due to our lack of confidence in the signs. In general, you don't want to be doing that on a course with longer holes.

-Only 1 garbage at the start. This gets the job done, but still seemed odd not to have at least another 1 or 2 throughout the course

-Seemed like some long walks between holes.

Other Thoughts:

All said and done this is a good course that deserves a play if in the area. I strongly suggest wearing pants to this course or plan on walking out with bloody scrapes all over your arms and legs unless you throw with lazer-like accuracy. I rated this course a 3.5 because you cannot rate in ¼ increments but it is truly is a 3.75 course. Since the current rating on the course was above what I feel it should be, I always go with the lower option and vice versa. They did a great job at bulldozing this course into the landscape; there must have been a lot of hard work put into creating the fairways as there are chopped stumps everywhere, making the trip factor out here a major problem. I can't stress enough how big of a downer running into barbed wire out here just 5 feet off the fairway was. Nobody expects to go find their disc after a decent shot and run into barbed wire blending into the shrubs just off the fairway. If there were signs, my group didn't see it. After playing this course and driving from MN hitting up disc courses on our way to Alpine Valley, my friend and I decided this is not a course we would go out of our way to ever play again. In fact, we kind of found ourselves wishing we didn't drive the 1 hour total out of our route to play it. It's a good course and great if you live fairly close (within 45 minutes) or are going close by, but don't expect to walk out of this course and be blown away like some of the other reviews have said. I have been coming to Wisconsin to hit up tons of the great courses this state has to offer for many years now, but Wisconsin has much better disc than this to offer in my opinion and experience.
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wolfhaley
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Premium Member
Experience: 20 years 1008 played 579 reviews
4.00 star(s)

Great course 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:May 26, 2016 Played the course:once

Pros:

This course is set on a beautiful piece of land dedicated exclusively to disc golf. The design here is excellent. Absolutely amazing use of the land available. The baskets are chainstars that were all in great shape and catch great too. The tees are natural but were still in decent enough shape. This is still a new course so maybe concrete will be added at some point anyway. The course is permanent and free to play. There are basic signs at each hole and arrows and next tee signs at every hole which makes navigation a breeze. The fairways were all mowed and in good shape when we were here. The town of Viroqua is not very big and is not really near too much else so I doubt it would ever be busy. There is a great mix of open and wooded holes here. Also the elevation here is abundant and used very nicely. A number of the holes have short pads, though not all of them. It would be nice for newer players to have shorter, easier options on all of the holes. But this is a championship caliber course so you should recognize that going in. I thought the mix of shots was fine/normal here. Most courses do favor RHBH and this wasn't any different. But this place will require all shots and discs in your bag. I can't state how fun and challenging this course is accurately. I can nitpick this and that but It's just plain fun. Not for fair weather players by any means.

Cons:

The cons I have can and probably will all be addressed at some point since this is a very new course. First the tee pads. If they put concrete or even rubber pads in here it would really upgrade the overall experience. Second the signs, the current ones are very basic. If these were updated it would make the course more appealing. As they are currently though, serve their purpose.

Other Thoughts:

This is just a flat out very fun yet challenging course that was designed to make the absolute most of the available land. I personally would rank this in the top 20 in WI out of the about 200 I've played. It kind of reminds me of maybe the middle brother out of the Justin Trail's little and big brothers. With better signs and tees this is a 4.5 for sure. As it stands now in it's infancy it is still a solid 4. Go out of your way to play this, It's that good. You won't be disappointed unless you only like plain park style courses. This paired with Justin Trail's would be an absolute brutal but awesome day of disc golf. About as good as you'd find in WI.
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Spike Hyzer 23
Experience: 30.8 years 92 played 88 reviews
4.00 star(s)

Course with potential 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:May 12, 2016 Played the course:2-4 times

Pros:

If you were to look at each hole individually and out of context, each is practically a masterpiece of design. The course is laid out well, easy to follow and a challenging hike that offers great exercise. It is also among the most difficult disc golf I have ever played, owing to the slopes, elevation and length.

Cons:

No concrete tee pads. I know this doesn't bother many, but on a course of this length, it reduces my distance from the tee by about 15% and takes about a half dozen holes out of birdie range and into a range where I must be careful to avoid a bogie.

The length between holes ranges from long to extremely long in some cases, though I forgive this because they were utilizing the land so well to create great holes.

There should be a sign to show you the well hidden path down to the first hole. If you didn't look at the map, you will walk well past it, see a path that leads down, and end up at the green and forced to walk over 300 feet back to the tee. The signage is pretty terrible overall, with the exception of the arrows that indicate where to go next. Hole 4 is illustrated as a big, long right to left curve, when it is absolutely straight when you look back to the tee. Hole 15 is also illustrated as a left to right curve, when the shot is in fact a left to right.

The BIGGEST FLAW, however, is that the course is utterly lacking in balance from the short tees to the long pins that I played that day. I am a lefty backhand player, and only three holes fit that configuration (3, 5, 8, and 5 and 8 are inordinately long and impossible to get a deuce). Only four holes are balanced (7, 15, 16, 17, and 15 is so well guarded that deuce is nearly impossible and only players who can throw well beyond 450' have any chance of a part on 16).
Holes 1,2,4,6,9,10,11,12,13,14, and 18 ALL favor a RHBH throw and 4,6,9,12, and 13 are so long that a lefty really struggles for par (even a short hole like 2, that a lefty could reach, is nearly impossible).

Hole #11 is patently unfair. A tree on the right is marked to be taken down, but this favors the righty that is already favored on that hole. A minimum of a half dozen trees to the left should be removed to make the hole fair (it is reachable at 280, but has such a protected green in an arroyo that having an impossible fairway is beyond punishing and unfair).

The rough to the left on #4 needs to be cleared a bit and a lot of deadfall removed. It is nearly impossible to find a disc in there without a long search and many trees make the possibility of ricocheting to the left likely.

#13 is disastrously unfair to the lefty from the short tee.

Other Thoughts:

The land is exceptional and the design pretty good. There are not alternate tees on every hole, and creating a few more that are shorter--the course is championship caliber, but even a former pro over 50 like myself will struggle a little, though I only bogied 16 in each round--and that don't have completely impossible slopes, hills and design tricks.

There is a difference between challenging and fair and unfair, and this course is mostly unfair with the potential for changes that would bump up my review to 5 stars and put it in my favorites (I am taking off a half star for the lack of tee pads, and a half star for the ridiculously unbalanced favoritism to the righties and the bad signage).
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Sneaky Pete
Experience: 2 played 2 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Updated - Course improvements galore! 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Aug 11, 2017 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

Update - 3 years later, all of my comments still stand! Challenging course with great hole design and topography changes. Consider even par as an excellent score. Super cool group of guys working on keeping the course up and running while making improvements. VFW=food+drinks on site. Wildlife is abundant on the course. Great mix of distance and technical shots. This course separates the wheat from the chaff quickly. Cement teepads are in! 6 add'l short tees are now available. Alternate basket locations and frequent layout changes make it a different course often. The little stumps that persisted after initially opening the course are nearly all gone (Hole 5 has a handful, but are easily seen/avoided). Constant groundskeeping has opened up some fairways considerably. The group tending to this course are constantly working on improving it. New sign posts are currently going in and brush removal has been non-stop all summer.

Cons:

The rough is still rough! (I consider this a pro, but folks that are about sacrificing accuracy for distance will suffer).

Other Thoughts:

If you are anywhere near this course you should play it! Just a wonderful course all around.
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turbolentz
Experience: 13.9 years 8 played 1 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Veteran Hills Course 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Apr 15, 2016 Played the course:once

Pros:

Played this course 1 time and thought it was amazing. The course had a great mix of wide open shots and tougher shots in the trees and such. It's a very long course, with a lot of walking with beautiful surrounding's. A park bench at the start of every hole was very nice to stop and get a drink or wait for the group ahead of you. The markers showing you the way to the next hole was very nice and helpful. Trails were cut very nice, so It made everywhere you walked nice and easy. This is one of the best courses I've played so far. I haven't played many but this was one of the best. Another great thing is the course was built by volunteers, and I think they did a great job.

Cons:

There wasn't to many bad things about this course but I did have some problems with it. The tees were not marked out very clear. So it was hard to find where you should stand. But I have heard that they plan on putting some in so as soon as that's done problem solved. The really only other problem I had was where they cut down the trees to make the fairway, some of the stumps are still there. It made it very hard to walk some times. If they were to go over the course and maybe cut them lower or dig some of the smaller ones up it would be great.

Other Thoughts:

My last thing is this course is great the way it is, and nothing in this world is ever perfect. A little more work to this new and unfinished course and it would be my #1 that I have played so far. You must keep in mind volunteer did all this work, so its not like they hired a crew to come in and do everything. So a big thumbs up to everyone who made this course what it is now. As soon as the little things are taken care of I would rate this course a 5 out of 5.
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GB Phil G
Experience: 23.9 years 119 played 15 reviews
4.50 star(s)

First review! 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Sep 28, 2015 Played the course:once

Pros:

Apparently this course was just finished as of Fall 2015. The fairways looked great and the navigation was solid. No tees yet but natural never bothered me. Large variety of shots here. Elevation on every hole. I can say now that the pictures do not visually show all the elevation. Definitely a long course and a few holes are very difficult. One thing I liked is on a few long holes the landing areas halfway down the fairway were very wide. Yet a good placement is still needed to get those 3's. Nice design, great aesthetics, quality disc golfing will be found at Veteran Hills.

Cons:

So much hard work and they obviously aren't done. No cons.

Other Thoughts:

Loud, long, slow clap for whoever put this in. Located behind a VFW which has a tavern right there. The bar keep had no idea what was "back there" and didn't know who owned the property or did all the work. They will recognize soon. This is a great compliment course to Justin Trails. Veroqua is part of a beautiful area of huge wooded valleys. Scenic drive no matter which direction you are coming from. I have high expectations for this course and hope that it becomes a popular destination area for disc golf. 4.5 fun factor with all the challenge and scenery. Just missing that "x" factor that only a few courses are lucky to have. Maybe its here and I didn't even notice it. You be the judge.
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