Why is the epic pdga approved yet the turbo putt and wheel are not.

[tarel]

Why keep the epic and have the other odd discs removed?


Thoughts?

 

[Sid the Kid]

Epic passed pdgas approval, turbo putt and wheel didn't. That simple. Maybe flexibility issues, maybe Quest knew they were making junk gimmick discs and decided to spend the approval money on a company pizza party or something.

At least the epic is legit. Capable of some long flights (for somebody?), and it was an original idea which had a wide wing (sometimes) when the orc was the longest disc you could buy.

 

[General Scales]

Epic passed pdgas approval, turbo putt and wheel didn't. That simple. Maybe flexibility issues, maybe Quest knew they were making junk gimmick discs and decided to spend the approval money on a company pizza party or something.

The Turbo Putter was approved. It is still the only disc in PDGA history to have it's approval revoked. There are many stories to this. The PDGA says it's because it has a non-concentric rim. Then again, neither does the Epic. According to the guy who runs Quest AT (which has a hour and a half video on the subject of discs) says it was revoked due to pressure from Discraft and Innova since they are the people that fund most of the PDGA. Don't know how much truth there was to this but it's an interesting story.

 

[Smigles]

From what I heared, the epic was the first disc with a excenter rim. They approved it, quickly realised that it is a huge mess, and then decided that the epic was the first and last "special disc" they would approve.

But that's just waht I heared, could be total bull.

 

[Conler Milrad]

Innova and Discraft killed the Turbo Putt.

 

[tennessee]

Did i see innova talking about releasing a disc with four different grips or am i losing my mind?

 

[TonyAPE12]

Did i see innova talking about releasing a disc with four different grips or am i losing my mind?

That was an April Fool's joke a couple of year's ago...It was like a hybrid aviar, roc, teebird and wraith. 1/4 of the each disc molded together.

 

[Violets caddy]

Where's chuck I'd like to hear the truth behind the turbo putt opcorn:

 

[notapro]

Aerobie + a suitcase full of money = PDGA approval

 

[BogeyNoMore]

Innova and Discraft killed the Turbo Putt.

You can't be serious? If they were able to have that kind of influence, why waste it on Quest? Why not a company that could really threaten their sales? Singling out Quest makes no sense.

Where's chuck I'd like to hear the truth behind the turbo putt opcorn:

^ this.

 

[whentherainscome]

There was a video about manufacturing and designing discs w/the guy from Quest. He was rambling about the same thing, that discraft/innova killed the turbo putt. But the thing wasn't round. I agree with revoking it, the chain grabbing potential of non-round discs would make standard putters obsolete. I don't remember any info about the wheel.

The epic is mostly a traditional disc, just the core is a bit off center. Since it only seems good for OH player throwing really long but ultimately inaccurate drives (from what I've seen) I say let it slide.

Edit: the video.

 

[tarel]

epic if thrown correctly will flip in the air than do a long gradual fade to left or right depening on how high you throw it and if thumber or thawk. Some guy at the jersey jam was tossing these 600+ without blinking flat elevation minimal effort.

would like to know more about the turbo putt, read some threads on it with being pulled.

the 10m brick is not round and grabs chains to well. why didnt they ban this one.

 

[GripEnemy]

Purely speculation here:


The fact that the Turbo putter is a putter, which can truly save you strokes, while the Epic is just a driver, may have something to do with letting the Epic slide. You aren't going to ace every hole, and you aren't going to throw the Epic on every hole, but you do always use your putter.

 

[giles]

Quest made those discs to mess with the pdga tech standard guys. Trying to prove a point. I think they had to clarify or create the symmetry standard as a result of the turbo putter. Epic was grandfathered in.

Or I could remember it wrong

 

[scarpfish]

By the time the Turbo Putt came out the Epic had already been out on the market for four years and there were probably tons of them with the PDGA approved stamp. Reneging on that by that point would seem kind of unfair.

By contrast, when Quest AT started coming out with their funky discs, the PDGA knew that they would keep trying these little experiments if it didn't set some hard technical standards on what constitutes a legal disc and what doesn't.

I might note that Quest AT has 27 different molds on the approved disc list. They all came out in 2006 & 2007 meaning that they haven't introduced a new mold in five years. What does that tell you about their reputation?

 

[tarel]

Tells me they got screwed. By a chain grabbing device.

 

[oddjob]

http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=25721&page=4

 

[Brick Forcepush]

Most people in here say they dont even like it.. So its not like it can turn a persons game around. If we are talking why is it approved because we dont like it. Well then why is the groove pdga approved???

 

[steinkecm]

By the time the Turbo Putt came out the Epic had already been out on the market for four years and there were probably tons of them with the PDGA approved stamp. Reneging on that by that point would seem kind of unfair.
By contrast, when Quest AT started coming out with their funky discs, the PDGA knew that they would keep trying these little experiments if it didn't set some hard technical standards on what constitutes a legal disc and what doesn't.

I might note that Quest AT has 27 different molds on the approved disc list. They all came out in 2006 & 2007 meaning that they haven't introduced a new mold in five years. What does that tell you about their reputation?

This happens all the time in baseball and softball. Bats get approved, but revoked and added to "banned" lists and they're still out there with the stamp on it.

I doubt it was about "fairness."

 

[garublador]

From what I heared, the epic was the first disc with a excenter rim. They approved it, quickly realised that it is a huge mess, and then decided that the epic was the first and last "special disc" they would approve.

But that's just waht I heared, could be total bull.

The scenario that seems most likely to be true to me is that the Epic was really pushing the bounds of the spirit of the rule. They allowed it because technically it passed the rules. When the Turbo Putt came out it definitely was outside the spirit of the rule but still technically passed so they had to allow it. Then the rule makers decided that they needed to be more specific when it came to the rules and retroactively unapproved the Turbo Putt with some stipulations. IIRC, it had only been out a year or so at the time. The Epic, having been out for several years at that time is grandfathered in but no new designs like that will be allowed. I don't doubt that Innova and Discraft pushed the issue, but it seems like something that didn't need a whole lot of pushing to have happen.