[Gateway] Medium Wizards No Longer PDGA Legal?

[discdoh]

Let's throw a little fuel on the fire...

OK. Here you go. This is a calibrated scale. This is an old beat up Firebird (notice the huge divot missing from the top edge). This is NOT even one of the stiff, opaque Firebirds that people have been talking about not meeting compliance. I can only guess that a brand new version of one of these or one of the stiffer opaques would read MUCH higher. I performed this test personally. I call shenanigans...

 

[Kp0c]

You, my friend, just created a tsunami.

 

[discdoh]

You, my friend, just created a tsunami.

In my best Elvis voice:

"Uh, thank ya very much!"

Takes a bow.

 

[elnino]

OK. Here you go. This is a calibrated scale. This is an old beat up Firebird (notice the huge divot missing from the top edge). This is NOT even one of the stiff, opaque Firebirds that people have been talking about not meeting compliance. I can only guess that a brand new version of one of these or one of the stiffer opaques would read MUCH higher. I performed this test personally. I call shenanigans...

can i have that illegal firebird? pm me if you want to get rid of it.

 

[discdoh]

I thought I could stoke the fire. No go...

 

[elnino]

I thought I could stoke the fire. No go...

start a new thread this one is beaten to death.

title it! Firebirds illegal!!!!

 

[tbird888]

start a new thread this one is beaten to death.

title it! Firebirds illegal!!!!

This

 

[discdoh]

BTW,

If the PDGA wants to use my pictures in a future rule change/adjustment BOD hearing, please contact me personally via the PM option...

LOL

 

[notroman]

The G9i's were spot tested(random spot testing was requested from the PDGA BoD a few years ago) and they did not pass the specifications for approved discs as decided upon by the Technical Standards committee. Many discs are spot tested each month from all manufacturers and some discs are altered after the initial PDGA testing.

the new firebirds are definitely too stiff then

good thing I already stocked up

If you are talking about the newer flat ones, they are not and have been spot tested. They are defiantly stiff but pass the flex test, now if you want to argue the validity and accuracy of the flex test you may have something.

OK. Here you go. This is a calibrated scale. This is an old beat up Firebird (notice the huge divot missing from the top edge). This is NOT even one of the stiff, opaque Firebirds that people have been talking about not meeting compliance. I can only guess that a brand new version of one of these or one of the stiffer opaques would read MUCH higher. I performed this test personally. I call shenanigans...

opcorn:

 

[7ontheline]

Without sifting through 55 pages, is there an offical statement from the PDGA stating that the wizards in question do not meet the flex test and are in fact illegal?

 

[Jaysus]

Without sifting through 55 pages, is there an offical statement from the PDGA stating that the wizards in question do not meet the flex test and are in fact illegal?

no... and from what I can tell. there won't be.

 

[garublador]

It seems as if what happened was that Gateway agreed not to sell them anymore but using the ones you have is OK.

 

[wake911]

It seems as if what happened was that Gateway agreed not to sell them anymore but using the ones you have is OK.

This would be the right way to handle it, I just wish we could get clarification. I'd like to know if my bag has illegal discs in it, so I could still have time to change before my first tourneys of the year.

 

[doctor professor]

Am I the only one that checks in on this thread and feels like I'm seeing the same stuff I've been reading since it started?

 

[dmk1978]

Scored a medium wizard from a liquor store in joliet. So happy, it is the only plastic in wizards I don't have.

 

[adevuyst]

I sent an e-mail to the technical standards board to try and find out exactly what the deal was. Here is the email I received in return:

Hi Adam,

Thanks for your inquiry. No discs that fail the flexibility standard are PDGA approved. If you like, Gateway will exchange your stiff disc for one that will pass. Yes, stiff drivers are less safe, but people do drive with putters. It's not clear that the complexity of adding a sliding scale for the flex of drivers versus putters would be an improvement, but the Technical Standards committee is looking at that as a possibility. The TSC is also considering ways that the flex standard can be better enforced, but the best solution is for manufacturers to do the necessary quality control to ensure that they only release discs that comply with all PDGA standards. We'd rather have the leaky faucet fixed. Failure to comply places manufacturers at risk of being assessed penalties, especially for repeat offenders. I'm unaware of any petition to change the flex standard, but it is noteworthy that players overwhelmingly supported keeping the flex standard in a poll several years ago.

Jeff Homburg (#1025)
PDGA Technical Standards Chair

I was unaware that there was a poll several years ago to remove or update the flexibility standards...does anyone have any other information about this poll? I'm guessing this rule has been in question before since there WAS a poll. Also, Does anyone know if I can use the putters in my bag as they stand? Or do we have to get used to different discs for competition?

 

[adevuyst]

It seems as if what happened was that Gateway agreed not to sell them anymore but using the ones you have is OK.

This is the case. I just got this email back from the owner of gateway:
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The pdga has never made any sort of ruling on the discs,,, unless it's something I'm not aware of.

We simply agreed to taking them out of production while the pdga works on improving the rule for putter flexibility.

Have you ever seen a players drivers checked for flexibility at an event?


David McCormack ( owner Gateway Disc Sports)

 

[Kingace]

Drama bomb!

 

[Kp0c]

No discs that fail the flexibility standard are PDGA approved. If you like, Gateway will exchange your stiff disc for one that will pass.

If indeed true, all our precious little G9i and Medium Wizard are now illegal... Bomb indeed.

 

[onemilemore]

The email from the TSC never actually says the mediums are illegal, just that discs that don't meet the flexibility standard are illegal.

Loophole. opcorn: