[Question] upgrade plastic for woods?

[nolangherity]

i throw all mvp and vibram, and disc damage isn't even a thought in my mind anymore.
i seem to be on a 'pure the hole or hit the first tree' kick, so they've all seen some action.

 

[ru4por]

I come from a little different school of thought. I never got the idea of an ever changing disc, via the "breaking in process". I look for high end durable plastic that I really like out of the box. If you love a really beat in Roc, look for a disc in Star or Z..... that flies like that new. I of course don't really have grip issues. Breaking in adds too much variables for me.

 

[Daubers]

I throw dx rocs. The faster stuff in dx definitely does not react well to hitting trees, but I have rocs that I've thrown for years on wooded courses. They just get better and better with time. When you say they "died", did you actually break them or do they just have gouges and nicks in the rim? If it's the latter, spend some time throwing them and getting to know them, a beat up dx roc is a wonderful thing.

Well the first one cracked, but I attribute that to the fact that it was 9 degrees out. My other issue with them isn't i guess "dying" but having issues with bending.

Any thoughts if I could use heat ( something even like boiling water ) to bend it back? Just concerned that anything but perfect will not fly correctly.

I come from a little different school of thought. I never got the idea of an ever changing disc, via the "breaking in process". I look for high end durable plastic that I really like out of the box. If you love a really beat in Roc, look for a disc in Star or Z..... that flies like that new. I of course don't really have grip issues. Breaking in adds too much variables for me.

I actually could not agree with this more. since I started playing, that is my exact thought process for it.

 

[mjoyce]

Well the first one cracked, but I attribute that to the fact that it was 9 degrees out. My other issue with them isn't i guess "dying" but having issues with bending.

Any thoughts if I could use heat ( something even like boiling water ) to bend it back? Just concerned that anything but perfect will not fly correctly.

If the rim bent downwards just flex around the disc the opposite way and bend it back.

What everyone is saying about seasoned dx roc's is true. They're sweet. I don't throw them any more because I didn't have the bag capacity to carry enough to season them. So I went with an Opto Pain, GL Pain, GL Fuse combo. That works well for me and covers all of my mid shots.

KC Roc's are nice they can take some good tree hits and stay OS for a while. If you want to stick with the roc's get 2 KC's keep a fresh one in your bag and use the other one and break it in through play.

I don't know what your DX situation is but I'd keep working with the ones you have to get them neutral and then understable. Once you get them in spots you like work on seasoning some new DX rocs to fill those slots as backups in case you lose one.

To me that seemed like a lot of work. Also I don't carry a big DG bag so I didn't have a ton of room for extras and backups which is why I chose the route I chose

 

[BirdmanCR]

Z wasp for the woods
Esp for the open shots

 

[JeremyKShort]

Kc roc?

I think that's what'll get you the closest to the DX in a more durable plastic. Still flies differently, but it's closer than the star or champ versions, and esier to find an actual Roc (vs roc+ or roc3)

 

[carlking]

Kc gets my vote. Im not on the roc train yet, but my kcpro aviar gets alot of work on the wooded holes by me.

 

[elnino]

honestly have you tried not hitting the trees? i played a wooded course with kc pro rocs and nothing is better than a beaten kc pro roc. the older the better. just throw your putter on super tight fairways go for the par don't need to make a birdie or bogey just get the par if the hole is unfair. U should be able to play your course not hitting trees and score well. if just too many trees then think about rollers.

 

[elnino]

champ glow rocs are the best of the best.

 

[Daubers]

i really appreciate all the great advice. Gonna look for some used discs in some of the recomended molds.

On good news i put my roc over boiling water and filled with some boiling water and it re set to flush pretty well. BUT i big point was brought up on this thread that I had not though of so I have a new question while on this topic.

What would be the most forgiving disc for in the woods? Would love to not clip and tree and go 100' off course

 

[Daubers]

honestly have you tried not hitting the trees?

/ end thread /

 

[mashnut]

Well the first one cracked, but I attribute that to the fact that it was 9 degrees out. My other issue with them isn't i guess "dying" but having issues with bending.

Any thoughts if I could use heat ( something even like boiling water ) to bend it back? Just concerned that anything but perfect will not fly correctly.



I actually could not agree with this more. since I started playing, that is my exact thought process for it.

I just bend them back with my hands, if you get it close it'll fly perfectly fine. A little bit of warping on a putter or mid makes very little flight difference. You can also just leave it on a flat hot piece of concrete for a little while, it'll go back to flat real quick.

The idea of finding premium plastic discs that fly how you like is a valid one, there are pros and cons to both approaches and you can find great players who use both strategies. When you go the premium route, you have to have a bunch of different discs at each speed to cover all your shots, meaning that the grip and release is slightly different. I cover all my mid shots with rancho rocs in different wear stages, they fit in my hand and feel exactly the same and can cover all kinds of different shots. The other issue is that when those discs that are less stable do beat in, they get squirrelly and much less useful. When you're using a stable disc beat in for you understable slot the wear process is more predictable and it's more useful as it continues to break in.

 

[davmer2303]

i really appreciate all the great advice. Gonna look for some used discs in some of the recomended molds.

On good news i put my roc over boiling water and filled with some boiling water and it re set to flush pretty well. BUT i big point was brought up on this thread that I had not though of so I have a new question while on this topic.

What would be the most forgiving disc for in the woods? Would love to not clip and tree and go 100' off course

Probably your most forgiving disc is your puter. As was said above, you can pump it out to easy upshot and par range and move on.

 

[Daubers]

Probably your most forgiving disc is your puter. As was said above, you can pump it out to easy upshot and par range and move on.

sorry I should have clarified, I meant more forgiving, as in absorbing the impact more

 

[Toro71]

Like what the Vibram guys say about their stuff, I've found MVP discs don't kick hard off trees the way some do.

FWIW, I've learned to play so far in a town that's about 75% tight woods/tunnel shots. I've never warmed to DX/pro plastic for this reason. I never got that 'spectrum.' the few DX Rocs I tried early on went from normal to taco in about 3 throws.

15 years ago, you might've had to deal with "rotating/seasoning" molds, but there's so many options out there today, I've been able to get pretty comfortable with a bag that's mostly champy/durable plastics. Not saying it's 'better' one way or the other, but this approach has worked for me.

 

[davmer2303]

sorry I should have clarified, I meant more forgiving, as in absorbing the impact more

Oh!! :doh: sorry about that. Well, then, I think Vibram or champ style plastic is where you're looking. I know my champ discs absorb hits almost too well.

 

[Daubers]

Sounds like my next disc will be Vibram. FYI, right now I am only using DX Aviar P&A, DX ROC, Champ Leopard and just added a Champ Beast. So all things considered it is a pretty minimalistic bag but I am new and it has helped tremendously. I was just out in my yard and tried adding a run up and reach back to my drives ( previously just stand still ) and it went AWESOME. Got my rocs over 300 pretty consistently on a tunnel shot with about 10" ceiling. Huge bump for me so I am now feeling pretty sentimental to my rocs

 

[ThrowaEnvy]

Yeah I've never liked DX plastic in the woods, it's why I stopped throwing a Magnet. It's rocky here too so they get eaten. Star or ESP can be nice plastic, a little slower than Champ less glidey than DX but durable and somewhat impact absorbing, but if you fold it hard into the first tree it can work as a spring and shoot it hard. I think MVP's stuff works well with the two plastics it doesn't spring off as hard and the stability from the rim weighting helps it drop faster. A gumputt is awesome for sticking where it hits but sometimes that leaves you behind a tree.

 

[KniceZ]

I've only got one DX disc in my bag (light stingray for smooooth turns and almost no fade) but it's doesn't get thrown very often or very hard.

For the woods - throw vibram!!

 

[Daubers]

I will definitely still have my rocs as staples in my bag but for those heavily wooded holes the Vibram really seems like the way to go. At this point the rock is my only mid so i certainly have some slots I can fill.