Noobie Question Thread (Dumb Questions answered here)

[Zach-R.]

OAT = Off Axis Torque

Throwing with OAT means that you put spin on the disc at an angle that wasn't exactly in line with the trajectory of the flight thereby causing it to become more or less stable depending on which direction the snap was in relation to the flight line.

Thanks, I'm told to use that sometimes esp. with wind conditions. I just didn't know the term.

 

[bcr123psu]

A buzzz if you have not already.

The Roc vs Buzzz is right up there with the Innova vs Discraft. Really nothing more than a preference with different supporting reasons.

Just my .02

The Buzzz and the Roc are two different discs. The Wasp is nearly the same as the Roc. The Buzzz is a beadless (e.g. more understable) version of the Wasp. So it's not a function of a brand debate, but more the fact the the discs are going to do different things. Whether you like one over the other (or if you like both) is really based on what the thrower can do with each disc.

 

[BrotherDave]

^^^reading this thread should be required before joining. That would cut down on repetative threads. Heres my question----Im having trouble with the grip on my roc it slips out way to early ive tried different grips then i griplock the hell out of it. What should i try

What keltik said holds pretty true. Most of the time discs releasing early/late are the result mistiming and/or not pulling the disc into the "powerzone" (right pec) at the correct angle. If it's just the bead messing you up, look into anything from a Shark, QMS, to a Buzzz.

What does it mean to throw with OAT?

This has more to do with imparting controlled OAT by either rolling your wrist under or over, depending on what you want it to do. For example, rolling your wrist under (wrist points to ground) helps keep the disc hyzer, which helps with headwinds and whatnot.

I thought OAT always made the disc act less stable.

From the disc physics thread: https://www.dgcoursereview.com/dgr/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14825&hilit=disc+physics

See above. Generally, unconscious OAT does make the disc understable b/c it keeps the disc from getting the requisite amount of spin. Most people with OAT probs tend to roll their wrist over also which also makes a disc act more understable.

 

[Lewis]

What can you do with a Buzzz that you can't do with a beat Roc?

 

[Star Shark]

A buzz is faster than a Roc and will definitey fly considerably farther. This is why I don't use them. I find it's way too easy to blow by my target on shots with a disc that fast.

 

[Lewis]

A buzz is faster than a Roc and will definitey fly considerably farther. This is why I don't use them. I find it's way too easy to blow by my target on shots with a disc that fast.

Joe's Flight Chart has them both at "Range 3." The difference must be subtle, or maybe it's because you can throw a Roc harder without flipping it? Anyway thanks for the quick answer. I'll keep throwing Rocs.

 

[ArcheType]

No matter what Joe's chart says, the speed difference between rocs and buzzzes is very noticeable. I can push my buzzz 30'-40' farther than I can a roc.

 

[Triflusal]

Let's not turn this thread into a roc vs buzz thread, it is too important

 

[Travis1010]

What does it mean to "clear the hip" in regards to driving form?

 

[Triflusal]

I think it's basically striking your hip forward during the pivot, allowing the rest of your body to come through past your hip

 

[steveo69]

ok I have been searching for a bit and can't find it.
What is a utility disc?

also great thread I read all 1730 posts learned alot!! :thmbup:

 

[ArcheType]

a utility disc is a disc only used for limited very particular shots, I carry a few, and they're only utility discs to me, others may use them for standard shots.

glow destroyer for my crap forehands, as well as tomahawks/thumbers, and I'm working it in for FH rollers

opto trident for really high winds or super sharp hyzers.

I never try and throw either of these for standard straight shots, they're specialty discs, aka utility discs.

 

[steveo69]

a utility disc is a disc only used for limited very particular shots, I carry a few, and they're only utility discs to me, others may use them for standard shots.

glow destroyer for my crap forehands, as well as tomahawks/thumbers, and I'm working it in for FH rollers

opto trident for really high winds or super sharp hyzers.

I never try and throw either of these for standard straight shots, they're specialty discs, aka utility discs.

thanx arche.

 

[Triflusal]

Yeah, utility discs are generally really overstable, for trick shots and whatnot

 

[steveo69]

should one be able to hyzer flip any disc. Or is there a point at witch a disc is too stable/overstable to execute this shot? If so is there a rule of thumb to figure out the point at which it is just not possible to hyzer flip?

 

[BrotherDave]

Yeah, utility discs are generally really overstable or understable, for trick shots and whatnot

fixed.

should one be able to hyzer flip any disc. Or is there a point at witch a disc is too stable/overstable to execute this shot? If so is there a rule of thumb to figure out the point at which it is just not possible to hyzer flip?

If you've got the arm/form, anything can be flipped. Especially in a headwind. Ultimately, a disc's stability is all relative to the thrower.

 

[Hyzer's]

fixed.

Exactly. I found a beat to **** DX Gazelle buried in the mud in a water hazard and I have to release it on a 90 degree angle and it STILL flips over. It's the most understable disc I've ever seen. If I throw it high, it will do an S curve like 200 feet in the air and I can really bomb it

 

[Arocep]

11x Eagle ?

I understand the difference of the L mold and the X molds... i own and throw both...

I own two 11x eagle "L" molds... one has CA on the back and one says CAL

My 11x eagle "X" mold has CAL on the back


is there something significant about CA vs CAL? my L molds seem identical

 

[Triflusal]

fixed.

forgot about that

also, CAL vs CA doesnt matter with eagles

 

[steveo69]

what is a x-out disc and are they worth spending $ on?