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Mine is fighting my Crave for the slot... And I think it's winning. I gassed mine 370' a few weeks back. But they can also be used for a dead-straight gentle 300' shot with a teeny little fade. Or a 253' air hyzer ace. It's super versatile, now it's all about learning the quirks.A new originals beat in c line fd is a money disc, that will always have a spot in my bag. They get more glide as they season. I can almost push one 400. I have a couple of champ dark rebels but I do not get the same flight.