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[Vibram] New fairways - Notch, Arch
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TrustYourRubber
Eagle Member
My flight numbers are 7 4 0 2. I've heard people being disappointed with the Notch, because it's not a 0 3 or 0 4; it was marketed as super-beefy overstable, but it doesn't have the huge fade some folks are looking for.
Hoping to get more out-of-it for overhand shots, but for now it's pretty solid for forehand/skip shots, and it doesn't overlap with the Ascent very much at all... so that's a plus.
Hoping to get more out-of-it for overhand shots, but for now it's pretty solid for forehand/skip shots, and it doesn't overlap with the Ascent very much at all... so that's a plus.
pmorgan1214
Eagle Member
Yeah i was not impressed what so ever with the notch. i now throw a felon but this felon is not that overstable. so i might be going to a flat top glow firebird at max weight.
TrustYourRubber
Eagle Member
When the Notch was first announced (we didn't even know the name yet), it was billed as a Firebird-style overstable, but I think it falls short of that quite a bit, mostly because of the speed I think. Notch speed 7 versus a Firebird speed 9. Tough to compare the two, but for me it's what I like, because a slower speed is more consistent for me, and yet it has quite a bit of extra stability.
Gennataos
Eagle Member
I'm not sure what to think of any of the new fairways. The Notch is nowhere close to Firebird overstable. It's alright, but it's more like a super beefy Teebird than anything else, IMO. That's not a bad thing, but not what I'd hoped it would be. For me, the Valley flies like a Trak and the Arch isn't much different in flight than an Ascent.
I don't know what I was expecting other than replacing whatever non-Vibram I had left in my bag. The non-Vibram I throw is an Escape for my main distance driver along with a champ Firebird for utility and either a C-PD or beefy champ Teebird for headwinds. The Notch might be able to replace the headwind drivers, but I remain unconvinced.
I don't know what I was expecting other than replacing whatever non-Vibram I had left in my bag. The non-Vibram I throw is an Escape for my main distance driver along with a champ Firebird for utility and either a C-PD or beefy champ Teebird for headwinds. The Notch might be able to replace the headwind drivers, but I remain unconvinced.
TrustYourRubber
Eagle Member
Kind of looking at taking some discs out-of-the-bag... probably roll with either the Ascent/Trak, Valley, and Notch
I am wondering if the production Notch isn't coming out as overstable as the tester versions. I could throw my tester on a strong anny into a headwind and there was no doubt it would fight out of it with plenty of fade.
I will probably bag the Ascent over the Arch because it feels more comfortable and is more workable for me on sidearm throws. I am not giving up on the Arch though, I think it is a better disc if you can throw it 350+ (backhand). I am not there yet.
I am bagging the Ascent, Valley, and Vamp right now for casual rounds. I have a tournament coming up and will probably bag a QJLS in place of the Valley and Vamp.
I will probably bag the Ascent over the Arch because it feels more comfortable and is more workable for me on sidearm throws. I am not giving up on the Arch though, I think it is a better disc if you can throw it 350+ (backhand). I am not there yet.
I am bagging the Ascent, Valley, and Vamp right now for casual rounds. I have a tournament coming up and will probably bag a QJLS in place of the Valley and Vamp.
Vibramterraius
Bogey Member
Threw the Notch and Arch for the first time this week. The Arch performed so well for me in distance and accuracy that it instantly became a favorite. The Notch is a great disc but I'm going to have to throw it more before I can really form a better comfort level with this disc.
It's tough for me to make the Ascent take a back seat to any other FWD but the Arch sure left a good first impression.
It's tough for me to make the Ascent take a back seat to any other FWD but the Arch sure left a good first impression.
MrDarkHorse
Eagle Member
Totally agree. The Arch is the best disc Vibram has in my opinion.
Chaser0909
Par Member
Chaser0909
Par Member
Another video comparing the Hyzerbomb MOAB, Innova Firebird, and Vibram Notch:
Head to head to head, the MOAB is a much slower, beefy disc. Faster than a drone/gator/etc, but more OS. The Firebird is a firebird, the gold standard of OS fairways. The Notch is not as OS as a Firebird, and on avg. I can throw it about 20-30 feet farther, while the MOAB is consistently 20-30 feet shorter than the Firebird. Notch does not bite quite as much as the Firebird.
https://youtu.be/YQxPZSKdjJU
Head to head to head, the MOAB is a much slower, beefy disc. Faster than a drone/gator/etc, but more OS. The Firebird is a firebird, the gold standard of OS fairways. The Notch is not as OS as a Firebird, and on avg. I can throw it about 20-30 feet farther, while the MOAB is consistently 20-30 feet shorter than the Firebird. Notch does not bite quite as much as the Firebird.
https://youtu.be/YQxPZSKdjJU
TrustYourRubber
Eagle Member
I think you hit it on the nose there with your analysis. (FYI: had trouble viewing the embedded link on DGCR, but the direct link worked on youtube.)
Discussions about disc selection are always dry, because you really need to qualify your statements with how much power you have, what you're expecting that slot to do for you... Notch is great for lower power throwers who want to start throwing an overstable fairway. Many people already have the Firebird in mind when you start talking about overstable fairways, so those individuals are going to be let down by the Notch. I haven't been let down, because it's really helped me iron out my forehand form, because it's slower than the o-Lace or Solace, which translates to consistency for me.
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MrDarkHorse
Eagle Member
hawgdriver
Eagle Member
I found one of these today in the Pennywise the Clown sewer at the local and gave it a few tugs.
It felt like a Vibram Teebird in the hand. It's pretty much like a Teebird but shorter. I bet it's also a but sturdier. Going to see if I can stick this in the bag and maybe the other Teebirds will accept it into their circle.
Fr tho, if it demonstrates some killer HW indifference, I might bag it. Probably not, since it can't be replaced, but maybe for fun.
It felt like a Vibram Teebird in the hand. It's pretty much like a Teebird but shorter. I bet it's also a but sturdier. Going to see if I can stick this in the bag and maybe the other Teebirds will accept it into their circle.
Fr tho, if it demonstrates some killer HW indifference, I might bag it. Probably not, since it can't be replaced, but maybe for fun.
uncle pennybags
Double Eagle Member
I found one of these today in the Pennywise the Clown sewer at the local and gave it a few tugs.
It felt like a Vibram Teebird in the hand. It's pretty much like a Teebird but shorter. I bet it's also a but sturdier. Going to see if I can stick this in the bag and maybe the other Teebirds will accept it into their circle.
Fr tho, if it demonstrates some killer HW indifference, I might bag it. Probably not, since it can't be replaced, but maybe for fun.
The Notch I presume?
The tester Arch that I had flew like a Teebird. I lost it at Lime Kiln several years ago. I miss that disc.
hawgdriver
Eagle Member
Yessir. Just a hand/eye reaction to shape. Flight, too, except it's like a stodgy Teebird that didn't have its morning coffee.
uncle pennybags
Double Eagle Member
The Notch/Arch were (are if you can find them) a nice paring of fairway drivers. The Notch was a bit more stable, but not a meat hook. And as always, the Vibram medium is probably the most durable material that a disc golf disc was ever made out of!
So...good find!
So...good find!
