Stop using the power pocket, Stop it!

[ejvogie]

Are there any super high quality satirical disc golf tutorial channels out there?

Seems like such a good idea lol.

There was that one dude on Expert Village.


At least I HOPE that was satire :|

 

[Anfield Addict]

Are there any super high quality satirical disc golf tutorial channels out there?

Seems like such a good idea lol.

Tyler Brickley might be one of the better ones. Got some skits, parody commentary. Made me giggle.

 

[Sheep]

Are there any super high quality satirical disc golf tutorial channels out there?

Seems like such a good idea lol.

I'm writing one.
Just have to decide if I want to spend the time to actually film the content.

 

[drk_evns]

Are there any super high quality satirical disc golf tutorial channels out there?

Seems like such a good idea lol.

Yes, they just often don't know they're satirical.

 

[ejvogie]

 

[MrLia]

Part 2 out now, talking about weight shift. Did he just say I don't listen to science I listen to my body? And showing examples of tipping over the brace leg as that is the correct way of "front leg disc golf"? I just don't know how he can say Paige, Paul and Drew are doing "back leg disc golf ".

 

[blayed]

I just don't know how he can say Paige, Paul and Drew are doing "back leg disc golf ".

Drew also has been explicit about this. He did a clinic near me in January and there was a guy who asked a lot of questions and dropped "coach T" by name several times. Amongst other things Drew specifically said:

1) He tries to get off the back leg as quickly as possible because it feels like it slows him down

2) (in response to the "Double Move") A lot of people ask him about his off arm. He says ppl think it drives a lot of his power but to him it feels loose and by his side. He said he didn't like the feel of doing the "full Swedish" style and practiced by putting his off arm in his pocket. He said his off arm is just relaxed, tight against his body, and out of the way.

Here's a video i took at that clinic and see for yourself if he's "back leg throwing"

 

[Jaani]

Drew also has been explicit about this. He did a clinic near me in January and there was a guy who asked a lot of questions and dropped "coach T" by name several times. Amongst other things Drew specifically said:

1) He tries to get off the back leg as quickly as possible because it feels like it slows him down

2) (in response to the "Double Move") A lot of people ask him about his off arm. He says ppl think it drives a lot of his power but to him it feels loose and by his side. He said he didn't like the feel of doing the "full Swedish" style and practiced by putting his off arm in his pocket. He said his off arm is just relaxed, tight against his body, and out of the way.

Yup. I haven't heard these things before but came to these conclusions, too.

I am glad that you wrote this, because many people still think they "clearly see" Drew doing the swim move and "using the rear arm", which to me seemed very strange to begin with.

 

[Kennets]

Posted this is an answer to one of his vids, where he emphasizes on having weight on the back leg in a throw -

He refers to "front leg" disc golf, as people not bracing properly. That's not how it works really. A fully braced front leg where 90-100% of the body weight is braced against it, is what you want (not 70% on the back leg, that's just asking for injuries). If you look at the tests where pro batters and golfers get their weight measured on some sort of pads (English isn't my first language) - golfers and batter have next to NO weight on their back leg during the (forward) swing. And yet people treat this guy as a "god" in DG techniques.

When the studies come back from the newly experiment they did with pro's in discgolf (weight distribution pads too), things will get hard for coach T (or I'm gonna eat my words)

 

[Hampejo]

Yup. I haven't heard these things before but came to these conclusions, too.

I am glad that you wrote this, because many people still think they "clearly see" Drew doing the swim move and "using the rear arm", which to me seemed very strange to begin with.

Would SW22 be one of those people or not?

https://youtu.be/9p0QU1zjXkA

 

[Jaani]

Yes. Just because you can swim and create movement in the water by doing a swim move doesn't mean that waving your arms in the air makes you throw any farther.

Swim move is actually the only thing that I have ALWAYS doubted and not changed my mind about. All the other gimmicky magic trick moves I have bought and endorsed, tried out and made up my mind after a thorough investigation.

 

[RowingBoats]

Yes. Just because you can swim and create movement in the water by doing a swim move doesn't mean that waving your arms in the air makes you throw any farther.

Swim move is actually the only thing that I have ALWAYS doubted and not changed my mind about. All the other gimmicky magic trick moves I have bought and endorsed, tried out and made up my mind after a thorough investigation.

I don't think I have a pronounced 'swim move' in my swing, but it's not supposed to be thought of as literally swimming through the air. Its a counter-weight concept to me.

 

[Sard0nyx]

I think of it as tension across the upper back muscles and linking the trail side to your throwing arm. Like Rowingboats said it's acting as a bit of counterweight. It might not add much more power but it can help with timing the swing.

 

[Jaani]

For most of my form check requesters who do the the double-move thing just adds too early rotation and late release plus bad balance.

 

[Sard0nyx]

For most of my form check requesters who do the the double-move thing just adds too early rotation and late release plus bad balance.

I agree that you shouldn't focus on it. I think it happens naturally if you swing correctly.

 

[sidewinder22]

Yes. Just because you can swim and create movement in the water by doing a swim move doesn't mean that waving your arms in the air makes you throw any farther.

Swim move is actually the only thing that I have ALWAYS doubted and not changed my mind about. All the other gimmicky magic trick moves I have bought and endorsed, tried out and made up my mind after a thorough investigation.

For most of my form check requesters who do the the double-move thing just adds too early rotation and late release plus bad balance.

Swim Move is different than the Double Move.

Swim move is a reciprocal 3 dimensional leverage/fulcrum move like in pitching baseball or throwing javelin. It's not a 2 dimensional rotational move or a punch like the Double Move.

You can put your hand on your thigh like Marc Jarvis and actually get better leverage than water against your solid femur. Maybe it didn't work for you(possibly due to other form related issues), but it did work for me, I wouldn't teach it if it didn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpp7ZFLHK90#t=8m44s

 

[Sheep]

Swim Move is different than the Double Move.

Swim move is a reciprocal 3 dimensional leverage/fulcrum move like in pitching baseball or throwing javelin. It's not a 2 dimensional rotational move or a punch like the Double Move.

You can put your hand on your thigh like Marc Jarvis and actually get better leverage than water against your solid femur. Maybe it didn't work for you(possibly due to other form related issues), but it did work for me, I wouldn't teach it if it didn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpp7ZFLHK90#t=8m44s

I'm sure he's well aware that its not the "double move."

I think the question comes to is it really doing anything more than just keeping your off arm loose at your side.

A loose off arm helps counter the rotation, its sort of a brace in a way.

So, is trying to swim while doing it really adding anything?
So I believe the double move reference there, as many of you might not know, jaani isn't... English speaking natively.
So, I believe the double move reference there was more in reference of it being unnecessary or possibly making things worse for people when trying to "swim" vs just letting it hang relaxed and close.

As well. Our bodies are really good at doing what they need to do sometimes.
And were always looking for the little extra. So if its hanging loose as a proper counter weight, if it needs to fight back our body naturally will I guess swim. vs us trying to actually force the motion expending energy we can use elsewhere trying to push the movement vs letting it run its course naturally as it would if we didn't focus on it.

 

[Jaani]

I'm sure he's well aware that its not the "double move."

I think the question comes to is it really doing anything more than just keeping your off arm loose at your side.

A loose off arm helps counter the rotation, its sort of a brace in a way.

So, is trying to swim while doing it really adding anything?
So I believe the double move reference there, as many of you might not know, jaani isn't... English speaking natively.
So, I believe the double move reference there was more in reference of it being unnecessary or possibly making things worse for people when trying to "swim" vs just letting it hang relaxed and close.

As well. Our bodies are really good at doing what they need to do sometimes.
And were always looking for the little extra. So if its hanging loose as a proper counter weight, if it needs to fight back our body naturally will I guess swim. vs us trying to actually force the motion expending energy we can use elsewhere trying to push the movement vs letting it run its course naturally as it would if we didn't focus on it.

Thanks, Sheep!

Yes, I am aware.

And yes, I believe the body can make the move even if you don't focus on it.

 

[drk_evns]

Yes. Just because you can swim and create movement in the water by doing a swim move doesn't mean that waving your arms in the air makes you throw any farther.

Swim move is actually the only thing that I have ALWAYS doubted and not changed my mind about. All the other gimmicky magic trick moves I have bought and endorsed, tried out and made up my mind after a thorough investigation.

It's not about pushing against the water, it's activating the muscles in a way that gives your front side something to push off of.

It's not wizardry.

 

[crd 81]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the swim-move seems similar to batting in baseball--the back shoulder is involved with the swing as much as the front shoulder and is necessary for a powerful and accurate swing. Try to swing a bat with just the front shoulder while keeping the back stagnate/still. It's hard to do and you have no power. I think it is similar in the disc golf throw.