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Why do you have understable discs in your bag?
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Halcón
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He throws mostly FH, and has a wicked submarine delivery to his throws. I've seen him throw over 400.
Streets
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Same here.
PMantle
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This
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Halcon wins the internet +1
DG_Before_Breakfast
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Lots of understable in my bag, and I really should master the Comet too. I just put one in my bag as a "form check" and made some really nice second shots with it the other day. Some reasons I use them:
- Tunnel shots are easier for me when I power down, and get a slight hyzer flip with an understable fairway driver. Been sticking a few tunnel shot holes with my Patriot of late. Flat or with a little hyzer it will get subtle turn or go straight without much power. With the right height it will land before it has any fade. So I can basically just focus on throwing the disc smoothly with control at the target.
- Left to right, some lines I prefer a forehand, and some lines I prefer an understable backhand. I'm not the greatest FH thrower, so I tend use more stable discs, and the line is typically more L-like, straight to hard fade. But some shots you need a smooth, slight turn or you need it to fade a bit at the end for an S shape, or you need some height - which I don't do as well FH. If the shot is just too long for me to reach with my forehand, I'll use an understable distance driver with anhyzer. My lower weight Terns are great for that.
- Tunnel shots are easier for me when I power down, and get a slight hyzer flip with an understable fairway driver. Been sticking a few tunnel shot holes with my Patriot of late. Flat or with a little hyzer it will get subtle turn or go straight without much power. With the right height it will land before it has any fade. So I can basically just focus on throwing the disc smoothly with control at the target.
- Left to right, some lines I prefer a forehand, and some lines I prefer an understable backhand. I'm not the greatest FH thrower, so I tend use more stable discs, and the line is typically more L-like, straight to hard fade. But some shots you need a smooth, slight turn or you need it to fade a bit at the end for an S shape, or you need some height - which I don't do as well FH. If the shot is just too long for me to reach with my forehand, I'll use an understable distance driver with anhyzer. My lower weight Terns are great for that.
I used to bag a lot of understable discs in the bag because I didn't have a forehand and it was also a way for me to compensate for not being able to throw very far. Now that I have a workable forehand and have added distance, I find myself bagging fewer and fewer understable discs. That being said I do still bag a few; a beat up DX Roc3, a Patriot, and a 166g Star Archon. These discs primarily get used for situations where I want the right finishing action of a RHFH, but I either don't want to risk the skip or would prefer for it to glide out rather than hyzer in. I also will use them for RHBH shots where I don't want to finish left at all and would rather throw something that will turn itself than hope I get the flex angle right. Finally, sometimes the angles on a tight hole will favor a disc that is turning over a disc that is flexing.
So really, I mainly carry understable discs for situations where I want to alter the finish of the flight of the disc for a variety of different reasons on a given hole
So really, I mainly carry understable discs for situations where I want to alter the finish of the flight of the disc for a variety of different reasons on a given hole
BobFromAccounting
Bogey Member
I carry a Tern and Leopard in my bag. Both are good discs for tailwind shots, right to left wind shots (or somewhere between the two), hyzer flip to straight with minimal fade, shots where you need to throw around a tree or trees, and turnover shots.
I've been practicing putting a lot of air under these discs for big turnover shots. For me, when the combination of slight nose down, slight anny and left to right body english mojo are just right, the shot is a thing of beauty.
In the same breath, crank on 'em and throw 'em level for a flatter turnover.
My Tern and Leopard discs relatively new and can do a lot of things. When I lost my beat in turnover Destroyer and XL :doh:, as far as turnovers go, these discs stepped in nicely, right out of the box.
I've been practicing putting a lot of air under these discs for big turnover shots. For me, when the combination of slight nose down, slight anny and left to right body english mojo are just right, the shot is a thing of beauty.
In the same breath, crank on 'em and throw 'em level for a flatter turnover.
My Tern and Leopard discs relatively new and can do a lot of things. When I lost my beat in turnover Destroyer and XL :doh:, as far as turnovers go, these discs stepped in nicely, right out of the box.
Yes, because sometimes they are necessary.
Especially in the woods and elevation.
I mean if you live in an area that is flat and wide open, then yes you can get by just throwing OS discs all day.
It's always a hoot when the kid with all super OS plastic and the torque monkey FH plays in the woods with us.
I don't laugh at them, but rather try to open their eyes to the possibilities when I park an uphill, 350 ft, super tight fairway hole with a beat Pro Leopard.
Especially in the woods and elevation.
I mean if you live in an area that is flat and wide open, then yes you can get by just throwing OS discs all day.
It's always a hoot when the kid with all super OS plastic and the torque monkey FH plays in the woods with us.
I don't laugh at them, but rather try to open their eyes to the possibilities when I park an uphill, 350 ft, super tight fairway hole with a beat Pro Leopard.
The longer I play and the better I get, the more I throw understable discs. I used to have far more overstable stuff in my bag. Now I don't even carry a Firebird unless the wind is up.
I used to have (at each speed range) Massively OS/ Moderately OS, Straight Stable, Moderately Understable.
Now I have Moderately OS, Straight Stable, Moderately US, Trickshot Flippy at each speed range.
Hyzerflips and turnovers are the prettiest shots in disc golf. Learn to control your release angles and clean up your OAT.
That moment where a beat-to-understable disc turns just past flat and locks into a long straight glide is what I am daydreaming about on every drive to a DG course.
I used to have (at each speed range) Massively OS/ Moderately OS, Straight Stable, Moderately Understable.
Now I have Moderately OS, Straight Stable, Moderately US, Trickshot Flippy at each speed range.
Hyzerflips and turnovers are the prettiest shots in disc golf. Learn to control your release angles and clean up your OAT.
That moment where a beat-to-understable disc turns just past flat and locks into a long straight glide is what I am daydreaming about on every drive to a DG course.
tbird888
Salient Disc Test Team
Because I'm left handed and righties design too many damn courses.
Snap-it
* Ace Member *
Assuming clean form and the ability to manipulate release angles, the only downside to US discs is the wind. They're an iffy proposition on a few of the wide open windy courses I play, and I've learned to resist the temptation and not pull one out of the bag in those circumstances.
On wooded courses, an absolute must, as others have said. And if you simply don't throw anything US, you're really missing out. Some OATmasters may never be able to make the adjustment, it's too much ingrained. Sad...
On wooded courses, an absolute must, as others have said. And if you simply don't throw anything US, you're really missing out. Some OATmasters may never be able to make the adjustment, it's too much ingrained. Sad...
DiscGolfMaster
Par Member
I was about to type out exactly what you said, so I'll just quote it, very well said.
dwindacatcher
Eagle Member
I see a lot of people complain about US in wind. Remember folks, us is bad in a headwind. You want it for the tailwind.
Snap-it
* Ace Member *
Yeah, mainly headwind, but L-R crosswinds can get you into trouble with US discs too. If it's that windy just keep them in the bag...IME.
dwindacatcher
Eagle Member
L/r it's all about not exposing the bottom or top. If you have a us disc yoy can hyzer to flat fast that tends to be a decent choice.
Snap-it
* Ace Member *
True, but a strong enough L-R wind can push it to the right regardless. There's no fade to counteract that and recover, like with stable-OS.
I still don't understand why anybody bags anything but a Cheetah and an Aviar.
