I've yet to play the longs, but the fact that they exist is a good thing for those who don't have a pool noodle for an arm like me and want to bomb some shots. The shorts are by no means all that short compared to a lot of courses in the area I've played, which means it's a good challenge for all levels. The variance between holes is great too: Uphill, downhill, wooded, open, tunnels, guarded baskets. It's in a public park so it's free and very accessible.

- Lost/damaged or missing signage.
- A lot of garbage (especially in the spring).
- In the spring, the 2nd/7th/8th/9th holes can all be flooded by the river.
- It's a public park so you have all walks of life, so sometimes people just stand right by a basket talking on their cell phones, oblivious to the fact that you're playing out of your mind and need to keep the birdie train rolling.

This course uses large swaths of a park that were essentially not used at all. No matter the conditions/people/garbage it's still a great course to go out and chuck!