[Innova] Teebird vs. Gazelle Question

[jdw80550]

So here's the problem I'm having, I've been throwing a Teebird and Teebird + for a while now, but decided to get a Gazelle because I've been blowing past baskets with the Teebird (a nice problem to have). I went did a little field testing today and found the Gazelle to be extremely similar to my Teebirds.

My question is does anybody carry both and what do you use one for that you don't use the other?

BTW my Teebird is a Pearly KC Pro 11x, the + is a Champ and the Gazelle is a Champ Glo.

 

[MrGlass01]

How far are you overshooting? The gazelle is slower than the Teebird, so it should be shorter, but have you tried to hit this shot with your mids? Anyway i have thrown both and have settled on the dx teebird in different stages to cover and work all the lines i could need with my fairway driver. The gazelle is a great line shaper, better than the Teebird out of the box. Annys, flexies and hysers are great with the gazelle fresh, they age great too. I find that they overlapped once my teebirds got seasoned.

 

[ArcheType]

Glow champs overlap a lot with teebirds, regular dx, not so much.

 

[jdw80550]

I'm always about 60' short of the basket with Wasp or Buzzz, but about 25' or 30' past with the Teebird. That's why I'm really hoping the Gazelle will fill that voind in the space between.

 

[Three Putt]

A 90' gap between a Buzzz and a TeeBird? That's a, well...that's a problem. Certainly if you have a 90' gap you need to do something.

 

[Triflusal]

I'm always about 60' short of the basket with Wasp or Buzzz, but about 25' or 30' past with the Teebird. That's why I'm really hoping the Gazelle will fill that voind in the space between.

how far do you throw with mids and fairway drivers respectively?

 

[jenb]

Glow champs overlap a lot with teebirds, regular dx, not so much.

This. Compare any teebird to a dx gazelle, and you will see that the dx gazelle does an s curve, while the teebird does a swoosh. The champ gazelle, however, does a swoosh. To me it overlaps with the banshee. I'd say it's like a beat banshee, and I've heard others say that a banshee beats into a teebird. I have dx banshee, dx teebird, star teebird, champ gazelle, and dx gazelle, and the teebird is not in the bag right now. The gazelle is an easier grip for me.

 

[Lithicon]

There are a huge variety of Gazelles. A lot are comparing apples to Oranges here. He is only throwing Champs and Glo champs, which are HUGE over laps. They're way too similar to consider carrying both. Distance wise with those plastics aren't going to vary that dramatically and I hate to hear people say the Gazelle SHOULD be shorter when for many reasons it can and SHOULD be longer.

Now if you get into different plastics and different runs, you're stirring a whole different bowl of noodles. Ample answer here is if you're "blowing" past any shot you should disc down, unless you can throw Putters 350'+, cause if you can do that you'd have already learned range control and wouldn't be askig this.

 

[Technohic]

I'm always about 60' short of the basket with Wasp or Buzzz, but about 25' or 30' past with the Teebird. That's why I'm really hoping the Gazelle will fill that voind in the space between.

I found my Hornets to be a lot longer for me than Buzzzs were. Starting to think of them as more of a tweener than a mid; but thats a big gap you have there. Might need to learn to throw the mids further or, you could try an Impact, Panther or I liked the Medius; I just didn't have that gap to justify carrying one.

 

[jdw80550]

how far do you throw with mids and fairway drivers respectively?

I can push my mids out to 300' without loosing accuaracy, if I try to get them much farther than that I start messing up my form. The Teebird I can push to almost 400'. I've tried powering down the Teebird, but find that when I do that I have a tendency to release early.

I found my Hornets to be a lot longer for me than Buzzzs were. Starting to think of them as more of a tweener than a mid; but thats a big gap you have there. Might need to learn to throw the mids further or, you could try an Impact, Panther or I liked the Medius; I just didn't have that gap to justify carrying one.

This is what I was wanting the Gazelle to be, more of a tweener. I have a Discmania GM coming in the mail to see if it might fit better into that slot.

 

[Guru10]

i kicked my teebs out for gazelles. gazelles felt better in my hand and i felt i could get a better snap with its narrower rim. i like keeping a beat dx, a new dx and a champ glo for my all line shaping.

people saying it should be shorter should really reconsider. i can get my champ glo further than my friends' boss' and destroyers and on a straighter line. i love discing down.

 

[jdw80550]

I just got back from leagues today and played with the Teebird and the Gazelle, and yes they do over lap but it's actually pretty nice. I found that on holes where I was closes to going OB with the Tbird I could throw the Gazelle full power and come up shorter. (Actually birdied a hole with the Gazelle that I parred with the Tbird) I think for the time I will keep both in the bag, but I haven't found a disc in long time that just felt as right in my hand as the Gazelle does. Now all I have to do is hope that the GM is fills the slot I thought the Gazelle would fill.

 

[ArcheType]

If you can actually throw a teebird 400', your buzzzes should be hitting 350' no problem.

Something is off somewhere in all that.

 

[tarel]

hard to compare the flight distance of a tb to a buzzz some people dont have the right snap for a midrange and have poor grip [finger on the rim]

 

[Three Putt]

If you can actually throw a teebird 400', your buzzzes should be hitting 350' no problem.

Something is off somewhere in all that.

hard to compare the flight distance of a tb to a buzzz some people dont have the right snap for a midrange and have poor grip [finger on the rim]

Nah, I'm with Arche on this one. Having a 90' gap between your mid and your control driver is odd, and if it was a snap or grip issue it would have his TeeBird under 400'.

Something is not working with your mid. Hard to know what it is based off the info we have, but you are not getting everything out of the Buzzz. You can try to stick a disc like a Stalker in there to try to bridge the gap or you can work with your mid and try to figure out why you are coming up 50' short.

 

[jdw80550]

The problem with the Buzzz is not that I can't get it out 325-350, it's I can't get it out to that distance without losing some of my control.

When I throw my Buzzz that far I have to hyzer-flip it, I can't get enough control to throw a "predictable" S curve. What happens more often then not is I either release the Buzzz too soon or with too much hyzer and it hyzers, flips for a moment and then hyzers again. The next time I try to throw it, I compensate for that and end up rolling my wrist too much and I hyzer straight to anny.

The Teebird has enough stability that when I hyzer flip it, it goes flat about 150' out then starts sailing right, but has enough to fade back left, and won't anny unless I really screw it up. This is where the big gap in distances come from.

What I liked about the Gazelle today was I can throw the same shot as I would with a Teebird, but end up being about 20' shorter. I think once the Gazelle beats in a little it will probably be about the same distance as the Tbird, but for now it works.

Thought on how to fix the Buzzz issue would be greatly appreciated. FYI I've thrown Z Wasps, Vectors, Rocs, and Warriors to try and fill the problem with the Buzzz, but they just hyzer unless I throw them with an S, which I don't really like to do.

 

[jtbingster]

The problem with the Buzzz is not that I can't get it out 325-350, it's I can't get it out to that distance without losing some of my control.

When I throw my Buzzz that far I have to hyzer-flip it, I can't get enough control to throw a "predictable" S curve. What happens more often then not is I either release the Buzzz too soon or with too much hyzer and it hyzers, flips for a moment and then hyzers again. The next time I try to throw it, I compensate for that and end up rolling my wrist too much and I hyzer straight to anny.

The Teebird has enough stability that when I hyzer flip it, it goes flat about 150' out then starts sailing right, but has enough to fade back left, and won't anny unless I really screw it up. This is where the big gap in distances come from.

What I liked about the Gazelle today was I can throw the same shot as I would with a Teebird, but end up being about 20' shorter. I think once the Gazelle beats in a little it will probably be about the same distance as the Tbird, but for now it works.

Thought on how to fix the Buzzz issue would be greatly appreciated. FYI I've thrown Z Wasps, Vectors, Rocs, and Warriors to try and fill the problem with the Buzzz, but they just hyzer unless I throw them with an S, which I don't really like to do.

How worn is your Buzzz? And what plastic? I'm just wondering if you couldn't get a max weight Z, because you shouldn't have to put much if any hyzer on it to get it out to 320'.

 

[jdw80550]

It's a used but not beat 174 Z Buzzz. Occasionally I get the extremely straight (barely any left to right movement) with it out to about 300', but that is not always a consistant throw. I can get the Buzzz to hold a soft anny line out to about 290-300 without it coming back much at all. For bigger annys I use the Buzzz SS, I've been hyzer-flipping it much better than the regular Buzzz.

 

[KelReeves]

Maybe a Hornet is the answer. I find I can put more spunk on a Hornet than a Buzzz, which gets it out a little further. The added benefit would be, the new mold in your bag would be a little less nose sensitive than a traditional driver mold and it wouldn't feel very different than a Buzzz in hand.

 

[chickenonabun]

I can't get the hornet out neraly as far as my buzzz unless I flex shot it, mine is to OS to be really long. It is a very good OS mid though.