[Millennium] CE LS?

[zj1002]

The picture posted is not a CE PLS. Just a nice pro blend. Somewhere in the SE/KC driver pro range.

As for other CE PLS...1.12/1.13 have CE blend discs but not all from both runs is CE and very few are pure CE, most are as durable as pro. The CE QPLS run from 2003 is the primo Polaris to own. Stable with flight chars similar to the eagle and tb.

For those looking at throwing premium Polaris there are currently Sirius and Q versions in production and they are real nice

And yeah I know Millennium. I'm on the team

 

[steve a]

1.13, LOL steve - I like how the guy who has been playing for two years 'knows' discs that came out 11 years ago

Seriously?!? It doesn't take 12 years of dg experience to learn how to read.

 

[zj1002]

And Steve knows his stuff. He is a regular in the 200+ page Mill thread on DGR

 

[discRabbit]

Innova also said that the final run of CE TL's were CE, but clearly the plastic was champion...

 

[discRabbit]

Good news for me I guess, I've got ~20 new 'CE' discs to sell

 

[DiscJunkie]

I have two of those exact discs. Mine are JLS's. I have tried to find out if they are CE with no success. I got them for $15 each.

Right now, $15 is not a bad price for old JLS plastic.
The only way to find out if they are CE is to give them to someone who knows early-run CE plastic and let them check them out. You can usually tell pretty quickly if they are CE by the feel and look.

 

[DiscJunkie]

Innova also said that the final run of CE TL's were CE, but clearly the plastic was champion...

Yeah, a lot of the late CE looks suspiciously like Champ plastic.
Personally, I go after the early runs when they were using the opaque stuff with the great feel.

 

[TrippinBill]

Right now, $15 is not a bad price for old JLS plastic.
The only way to find out if they are CE is to give them to someone who knows early-run CE plastic and let them check them out. You can usually tell pretty quickly if they are CE by the feel and look.

I'm almost positive they are not CE, but I'm no expert. I have CE JLS's and these ones actually feel better. I'm pretty sure they will beat in way faster though. I put one in my bag, so we will find out.

 

[steve a]

Most of my information is indeed documented, which is kinda rare for disc golf.
See the following links:
Millennium CE 1.6's and 1.7's

I have a JLS 1.8, which feels very much like CE to me, and I stated that as my opinion.

Also would like to know where you got the info that Polaris 1.13's are CE? I actually have a couple Polaris LS 1.13's. And while they are very fingerprinty, I don't think they are CE.

Try going to the Polaris ls link on the site you posted above and let me know what you find.

 

[discRabbit]

A Swedish site that erroneously lists three different molds as having been "Champion Edition" - but its on the interwebz and I read it so it must be true...

:wall:

 

[steve a]

A Swedish site that erroneously lists three different molds as having been "Champion Edition" - but its on the interwebz and I read it so it must be true...

:wall:

Please elaborate which three please. I just found it amusing he pointed to this site as documented proof without even looking at the model in question. I also have one of the 1.13 runs in the same plastic as a 1.1 qj. Unless I am wrong the 1.1 qjls was made of ce.

 

[discRabbit]

QJLS is the only CE plastic one - others are either obviously champion (clear models: late omegas) or less obviously champion ('taffy' models: early omegas, EXPs, AMS). It is *possible* that the taffy runs could be a mix, but certainly not pure CE.

 

[steve a]

FACT:

QJLS is the only CE plastic one - others are either obviously champion (clear models: late omegas) or less obviously champion ('taffy' models: early omegas, EXPs, AMS). It is *possible* that the taffy runs could be a mix, but certainly not pure CE.

Thanks for clearing it all up. Now I need to revise the qms in my sale thread as no longer ce.

 

[dreadlock86]

the OP's disc is definitely CE blend, i have one just like it.

all this nonsense is really just about how nitpicky you want to be about what is CE. most people acknowledge that most of the 10x KC Pro plastic is a taffy blend of CE and the later stuff is the candy blend of CE. i don't know what "pure" CE plastic is supposed to feel like because different runs of CE stamped discs feel pretty different to me.

1.12 polaris ls are taffy CE
1.13 polaris ls are pro line/CE blend

the 2000 texas dubs stamps feel like the 1.12 run

 

[dreadlock86]

btw, this is a good reference
millenium CE list at the bottom of the page

http://www.quadcitydiscgolf.com/Millennium_BestKeptSecret.html

those numbers are from the DGR millenium thread, posted by John as relayed by an Innova factory guy

 

[ZAMson]

that CE info from DGR (and later quoted in quadcities) came from me.

i've owned a few 1.13s that seemed like the same plastic as the CE QJs (and i think i still own one tie-dye). if you look at the Polaris page on MILL's site, that photo (which I took) is of a 1.13 (it came out of the Team reserve). look at how glassy it is... you can see a shadow cast INTO the plastic by the stamp. 1.13s were the ones that got put into reserve, along with the CE QJs, 1.7 EXP, and other money-runs.
link to Polaris page: http://golfdisc.com/polaris-ls.html

that said, i've seen/felt a number of used LS with that stamp from 2000, as it was a local event. i'd say nice SE, but i haven't personally felt one that was anywhere near the CE feel. 100% of the ones i've seen felt like SE.

old MILL stuff is so convoluted, there are very few hard-and-fast rules as to what is what. lighten up disc golfers.

 

[zj1002]

the OP's disc is definitely CE blend, i have one just like it.

all this nonsense is really just about how nitpicky you want to be about what is CE. most people acknowledge that most of the 10x KC Pro plastic is a taffy blend of CE and the later stuff is the candy blend of CE. i don't know what "pure" CE plastic is supposed to feel like because different runs of CE stamped discs feel pretty different to me.

1.12 polaris ls are taffy CE
1.13 polaris ls are pro line/CE blend

the 2000 texas dubs stamps feel like the 1.12 run

it is not CE please stop this nonsense

I have felt just about every damn texas stamp millenium disc that comes through the disc nation used section or via team millennium stash. That stamp/run is not CE. just very SE

 

[ceteebird999]

FACT:

Thanks for clearing it all up. Now I need to revise the qms in my sale thread as no longer ce.

The qms is also ce in early opaque runs

 

[DiscJunkie]

Try going to the Polaris ls link on the site you posted above and let me know what you find.

A Swedish site that erroneously lists three different molds as having been "Champion Edition" - but its on the interwebz and I read it so it must be true...

:wall:

This has devolved into a largely disrespectful thread and I apologize to everyone for my part in it.
Let me throw out my opinion, which may be just as valid as other posters on thread.
I think it's very difficult, if not impossible, to determine a CFR disc's CE content or validity over the Internet. After everyone's conflicting expert opinion on this and other forums, I am even more convinced of this.

I have found everything on the DiscGolfSweden site to be accurate, as far as I can tell. I disagree that their info is faulty, but again, that is my opinion and experience. Obviously others have disagreed.

I have a couple of 1.13 Polaris LS's and they do feel like CE blended, but not entirely CE. Both seem to have a different mix.

Last, I have found that CE knowledge to be one of the most confusing and argument-inducing topics on this site. Almost as bad as disc-returning threads. There is no definitive reference and yet everyone has indisputable facts that directly contradict others' indisputable facts. On and on and on...

If I am ultimately proven wrong, I apologize. But I have stated the facts as I knew them and I welcome all the learning that I have gained.

Like Zamson says:
old MILL stuff is so convoluted, there are very few hard-and-fast rules as to what is what. lighten up disc golfers.

 

[masterlurk]

Thanks for the info guys. Kind of more than i was asking for but ill take it for what it is. Sorry to apparently have started a heated debate.