I bought an eagle because I needed to fill in the gap between my 300' midrange discs and my 380' firebird. The eagle is speed 7 so I used it for the first time on a 330' hole figuring at speed 7 with full power it should be about the right D. Well the darn thing ends up going 400' and overshooting the basket by a bunch! This friggin eagle goes farther than my fb, as far as my orcs go! Does anyone know of an actual slower Fw driver with a nice driver rim which goes slower than a firebird?
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slower fairway driver?
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Violets caddy
Double Eagle Member
Just because its slow doesn't mean it doesn't fly far :\
If you can't reach it with a mid just power down your fairway.
If you can throw something as overstable as a firebird 380' then any fairway you pick up is going to overshoot a 330' foot hole if thrown full power.
If you can't reach it with a mid just power down your fairway.
If you can throw something as overstable as a firebird 380' then any fairway you pick up is going to overshoot a 330' foot hole if thrown full power.
Mr. America
* Ace Member *
If this is a legit post, it sounds like you need a longer mid instead of a slower fairway 
Menacewarf
Double Eagle Member
Eagle should go further than a firebird.
Crazy Runner Guy
Double Eagle Member
Example for the OP: Comets, one of the longest and slowest midranges out there, mostly because it is stable and has gobs and gobs of glide.
I'm curious what you (don't) have that causes a 80-100 ft. gap in your throws. It doesn't sound like you have any fairway drivers, i.e. you jump from mids to distance drivers.
My thoughts exactly. A FB will go far, yes, but it will also start fading almost as soon as it leaves your hand - unless you're throwing it with such power so as to delay the inevitable hard fade.
tbird888
Salient Disc Test Team
If you want something straight that will handle that distance, try a Discraft Impact. They don't power down very well though so they're kind of a one trick pony.
Damnit, so there is no fairway driver that I can put 90-100% power on which will give me a distance between a firebird and a midrange? How bought a wide-rimmed midrange or something then? I would love some more suggestions for discs in that range that I wouldn't have to power down because I am not the best at powering down accurately with drivers.
BTW it says it's slow at speed 7 but this thing leaves my hand faster than my FB ever has which is supposedly a speed 9.
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garublador
* Ace Member *
Or Cyclone. Though it sounds like you may want to work on line shaping, height manipulation and powering down if there's an uncontrollable 100' gap between your mids and Eagle. Switching to something a bit slower just means you'll have a 80' gap instead.
dehaas
* Ace Member *
Go buy a heavy vip warship
VictorB
* Ace Member *
Something else is wrong in this equation...if you're throwing eagles 400' then there is no reason why you shouldn't be throwing midranges 340'ish. I throw dx teebirds in the 400' range, and have no problems throwing putters 300' and midranges 330'+.
But, if what you say is actually true, then try a cyclone, stalker, or gazelle. And quit trying to throw so hard all the time.
Scared_Discless
* Ace Member *
QJLS could fit into that slot as well
FWIW, Innova's speed ratings are more of an indicator of rim width than actual "speed".
Look at my profile, I'm a forehander. I can throw a midrange forehand 300ft without any OAT but to do so I have to use 70% power and a particularly smooth and flat release. When I bump up any more power than that I get unpredictable OAT and turn and burns. But you do have me thinking, my midranges are the axis, buzzz and spider. If I were to get an extremely overstable midrange I could put full power on it probably and just stabilize the OAT that way, but I would really rather have a better option if one is available because I don't want to be having to throw throws with OAT.
I'm going to check out the stalker, cyclone, gazelle, Impact and QJLS. Thanks for the advice everyone.
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duckbutter
Par Member
2nd vote for Discraft's ESP Impact
One of the slowest fairways I've ever had. It's almost a midrange.
Very underreated disc IMO.
One of the slowest fairways I've ever had. It's almost a midrange.
Very underreated disc IMO.
VictorB
* Ace Member *
This has nothing to do with it. Good forehanders are just as smooth at throwing as backhanded throwers.
You just said yourself that you torque midranges over too much. That's the missing part of the equation. Fix that first. Getting a disc in between in speed is just going to keep covering up the torque you put on your midranges. Think long term here. Not saying it's a bad thing to get something like a stalker, but you might never solve your problems with midranges by just getting a new disc.
Try throwing a z wasp. It can take a little more heat than a buzzz but still requires a clean throw. You should be able to push the buzzz out pretty far, I've seen big Jerm throw 400' with a buzzz - yes I know comparing to pros isn't the best, but it can be done. The extra added HSS of the wasp may help you iron your problems out. I know the axis and spider lean more to the finesse side of the spectrum for midranges, so maybe something that is more suited to a power thrower would help.
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Toro71
* Ace Member *
It sounds to me that you're at the stage where a disc isn't the answer. You need to be able to throw at various power levels. 90% 75% 50%. Try the Eagle, but shorten your run-up. Try something less stable, and throw from a standstill.
It sounds like using the Firebird as your main distance disc is hurting your cause. To get 380 from it, are you doing a big flex shot? Turning it over hard, and letting it fade back? You're going to get more distance that way, in other words, you'll get max D, but won't be able to throw to a controlled D....?
Seconded. You may also like the new Discraft Warship attempt known as the 2012 Ace Race disc
joe_kool315
Birdie Member
If you're already throwing an axis ... try a vector ... it will be similar to a Wasp/hornet and have the same feel you're used to with the axis. Another slow disc that can get some good distance and is really OS would be the Zone, in either Z or ESP it will fight the torque. Pro-d will beat into a straight flier then start turning under full power so it's a pretty versatile mold to get used to.
AND ... as someone mentioned, try to minimize the torque if you can throw working form.
AND ... as someone mentioned, try to minimize the torque if you can throw working form.
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