Pettition To Allow Flattening of Discs

[DikkaD]

I realize disc flattening is against the rules but why? If a disc is meant to be flat and comes out domey, IMO the disc is flawed. We, the consumer, should have the right to fix this problem by flattening the disc to create a comfortable grip. From experience flattening can change the stability of a mold but it is usually very little and can be chalked up to the disc breaking in.

If I can sand the flashing off a disc (manufacturers defect) why can I not flatten it? Perhaps this rule was put into place when DX plastic was promenent and the PDGA feared people tuning their discs?

Doesn't lat64 flatten their discs after removing them from the mold? Is this not what was done to the Flat top Gators just released?

I hate relating this to ball golf, but to me this is much like buying a driver and having it regripped and rebalanced.

For those of you against disc flattening, am I missing something? What are the disadvantages of allowing players to flatten their discs?

 

[discreid]

I realize disc flattening is against the rules but why? If a disc is meant to be flat and comes out domey, IMO the disc is flawed. We, the consumer, should have the right to fix this problem by flattening the disc to create a comfortable grip. From experience flattening can change the stability of a mold but it is usually very little and can be chalked up to the disc breaking in.

If I can sand the flashing off a disc (manufacturers defect) why can I not flatten it? Perhaps this rule was put into place when DX plastic was promenent and the PDGA feared people tuning their discs?

Doesn't lat64 flatten their discs after removing them from the mold? Is this not what was done to the Flat top Gators just released?

I hate relating this to ball golf, but to me this is much like buying a driver and having it regripped and rebalanced.

For those of you against disc flattening, am I missing something? What are the disadvantages of allowing players to flatten their discs?

How do you determine "If a disc is meant to be flat"?

 

[Halcón]

Is this even an issue? Who can tell if I make my disc flat? And who is going to care? And who can prove it even if they suspect it?

In other words, the poll should have a "meh" option.

 

[nolangherity]

or we could just ignore the pdga

 

[DikkaD]

Roc3s come out domey as do alot of the 3 molds. Sorry to bother you big sky, you can go back to eating your bon bons now.

 

[bradharris]

If you start specifically allowing some post-production modification to discs, it starts you down a very slippery slope and much more questions about what is and is not allowed.

 

[tbird888]

Dome is not considered in the PDGA's approval process so there's no way to say a disc should or shouldn't be flat/domey.

Any change to a dome through flattening is an intentional post-production modification performed in a manner that violates the established rules. Does it really do a whole to make the disc flight change substantially? Not really. Does it violate PDGA rules? Yes. Golfers competing in PDGA sanctioned rules should be following the established rules of play to ensure a level playing field.

If you find a disc you like the dome of, buy a stack of them so you don't have to cheat (yes, it's cheating even if you don't get caught) to feel comfortable throwing discs.

 

[DikkaD]

or we could just ignore the pdga

true

If you start specifically allowing some post-production modification to discs, it starts you down a very slippery slope and much more questions about what is and is not allowed.

I can see this but what else can we do besides melting down the plastic and making our own molds. Puncturing a disc make it illegal, so no putting holes in them. Maybe an acid drip to make dimples.

 

[scarpfish]

Once you start opening the Pandora's box of post production modification, there will be no clear line of where a legal disc becomes an illegal one.

A flashing is a flaw that can be removed since it was never intended to be there in the first place. A flight plate that comes out domey being flattened is another matter, because a user may not flatten it exactly back to where the manufacturer intended it to be.

 

[DikkaD]

Dome is not considered in the PDGA's approval process so there's no way to say a disc should or shouldn't be flat/domey.

Any change to a dome through flattening is an intentional post-production modification performed in a manner that violates the established rules. Does it really do a whole to make the disc flight change substantially? Not really. Does it violate PDGA rules? Yes. Golfers competing in PDGA sanctioned rules should be following the established rules of play to ensure a level playing field.

If you find a disc you like the dome of, buy a stack of them so you don't have to cheat to feel comfortable throwing discs.

I'm not saying we should cheat, just pressure the PDGA into allowing it.

 

[DikkaD]

Once you start opening the Pandora's box of post production modification, there will be no clear line of where a legal disc becomes an illegal one.

A flashing is a flaw that can be removed since it was never intended to be there in the first place. A flight plate that comes out domey being flattened is another matter, because a user may not flatten it exactly back to where the manufacturer intended it to be.

Oops I sanded off the bead.......

 

[Halcón]

Roc3s come out domey as do alot of the 3 molds. Sorry to bother you big sky, you can go back to eating your bon bons now.

I'm sorry, it's just a non-issue. To even consider it is far too much trouble than what it's worth. And I've never eaten a bon-bon.

 

[tbird888]

I'm not saying we should cheat, just pressure the PDGA into allowing it.

I think it's silly that this is even something under consideration (this isn't the first thread so I'm not attacking you directly). The highest rated player in the history of the game is playing with current production run discs and still is putting up low scores. The PDGA has more important things to worry about...like how to get more members to renew.

Feel free to spam the PDGA to get this rule changed. It's the best way to make it happen. I'm just saying that currently it's an illegal modification.

 

[tbird888]

or we could just ignore the pdga

Innova does

Oops I sanded off the bead.......

That goes well beyond light sanding. And what are you using, a belt sander?

 

[scarpfish]

Oops I sanded off the bead.......

And if no one noticed, what's stopping you from doing something else?

I'd suspect that there are more tweaked discs out there than we give credit for. Thing is, 99% of us wouldn't give those discs a second look.

 

[Aim For The Chains]

A flight plate that comes out domey being flattened is another matter, because a user may not flatten it exactly back to where the manufacturer intended it to be.

What about all those domey discs that are "suppose" to be flat?!

opcorn: I mean reallllllllllly?!

 

[DatRedDude]

Just curious does anyone know if anyone has ever been called out on a disc being modified?

 

[rocthecourse]

I just don't buy discs that are domey unless they are supposed to be domey.

 

[scarpfish]

What about all those domey discs that are "suppose" to be flat?!

opcorn: I mean reallllllllllly?!

There are measurement specifications for every approved mold. Some "suppose" to be flat discs are "suppose" to be flatter than others. If you end up with a mold that came out domier than those specifications say that mold is supposed to be, who is to say your modification is going to "correct" said flaw.

 

[Broken Shoulder]

Isn't it easier to just buy discs without a dome?