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[Innova] The Colt
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SD86
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Nice pic. My XT proto-Colt is the regular stamp, but has that little "prototype" stamp on it, as well as. I still have a couple of original DX Colts with that little stamp, also. Extremely accurate approach discs. :thmbup:
And then Innova had to go and tweak 'em and ruin everything.
Discgolfer48
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I need a new colt. Mine is too understable for approach being dx and worn. It's ok for putting though. So maybe the star colt? How much of a difference is there between xt and star at max weight.
Marmoset
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There is a ton of difference.
I just went to Innova East and pulled 3 Colts off of their shelves. 1 DX, 1 XT, and 1 Star. The XT is the least overstable, DX is squarely in the middle, and the Star is actually slightly overstable even on 300'+ rips. I threw it more than 320' and it barely tracked to the right in the middle of the flight. It also has heathier fade than I expected. I halfway suspect my XT is an oddball because it doesn't seem like the other XTs should be this understable out of the box.
I bought these Colts because I really like Colts and I'm auditioning them for my driving and approaching putter. The other day I played two different courses with only those 3 Colts and found out that I like having all 3 because they cover the stability range very well. I really like XT plastic and how it grabs chains, the ground, my hand, and really everything.
Tonight I played the same 2 courses with only the Star Colt, a Neutron Proxy, and a special blend Magic. To make a long story short, I like the Proxy better than the Star Colt. Neutron Proxy vs DX Colt might be a better matchup for stabilities but I have a feeling that the Proxy would win that too. I seem to get more consistent clean releases with the Proxy. The Proxy is a fantastically neutral disc under 200' and has a crazy slow turn as you push it past 200'. Maybe I like it so much because it is very Comet-like. When I was throwing it 300', it was definitely understable but much less than the XT Colt. If you don't mind trying a different brand, the Proxy might be of interest to you. If you really want to stay with Innova then I think your best bet is to get a Star and eventually beat the overstability out of it. A new DX will instantly give you the stability you want but wont last for more than a few dozen rounds before it starts to gets flippy like your current DX.
I really like the Colts and would be thrilled if the Star Colt started out with the stability of the Proxy.
Please let me know if something here didn't make sense.
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I think the best Colt is an XT Pro Stud. Similar feel in the hand but a bit more resistance to turn. After using XT Colts for several years I switched to the XT Stud because I can get them consistently flat-topped, which I prefer.
When the XT Stud beats up it basically becomes an XT Colt. So I use a seasoned XT Stud for putting and for slightly understable drives and approaches.
Proxy is a darn nice disc. Have you tried an XT Pro (or other plastic) Stud? You throw a good bit farther than me, but I found the XT Stud about a half-notch more stable than the XT Colt.
Marmoset
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yeah, I love the Stud. It was my only putter mold in the bag for a full year. After DGU released my Undead Stud stamp, I stocked up on Star/XT/DX. XT is my favorite but found uses for the other plastics too.
After I left the warehouse, I found out that they make G Star Colts too. Maybe when I'm down there picking up my custom Polecat stamp, I'll get one of those G Stars.
SD86
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The Star Colt is more stable than the XT Colt, and the XT is more grippy. The Star will retain its flight characteristics much longer than the XT and DX will, which can be a good or bad thing.
I'm hoping the Colt and Stud will come out in regular or Nexus Pro plastic one day soon.
opcorn:P.S. I agree with those above who said wearing in an XT Stud might be the best option for you.
I have star and g star colts, all have seen a ton of use and they all fly dead straight from 100 to 250 and have done so since they were new. They don't fade and they don't turn unless I purposefully throw them to. I would imagine if I could throw them 300 I'd see some amount of turn. In a headwind they'll get turned on drives and I'll use another disc when it's the case. In a tailwind they just go straight forever. All the DX I've used developed a lot of turn really quickly and become massively under stable. I favor the gstar because I like the feel but I'd be plenty happy with star, they're basically the same.
SonicGuy
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Yay! If only they didn't warp from regular use...
Hampstead
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Are XT proto Colts worth anything over retail?
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. . . After DGU released my Undead Stud stamp . . .
Nice! I just ordered 4.
Marmoset
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Thanks!
The XTs have a super nice shape, awesome grip, and are fantastically predictable. I have a 280' ace (slightly uphill too!) with one of them. The Stars are unsurprisingly more overstable than the XTs.
The XTs have a super nice shape, awesome grip, and are fantastically predictable. I have a 280' ace (slightly uphill too!) with one of them. The Stars are unsurprisingly more overstable than the XTs.
How are you finding the studs to be? I got one recently in the hopes that it would be a more stable colt for a bit of wind fighting and for shots that needed good fade. So far it's pretty much a colt with less glide and and not really much fade at all. Might be good for short touch shots that need to get around a late obstacle but other than that the colt seems to do just about everything else better.
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For shots that need a good fade I use a Medium Harp. I use XT Stud (and previously XT Colt) for straight to turnover approaches and for putting. Can't comment on other plastics because I have only used XT Studs and Colts.
For me the Colt and Stud are pretty similar. Stud is a little more resistant to turn and has a little more fade. But a worn XT Stud flies about like a fresh XT Colt, and it holds that flight for quite a while. Whereas for me, XT Colt starts out where I like it and wears in to a little more understable than I want.
The main reason I switched from Colt to Stud was that I had a hard time finding flat-topped Colts, whereas (so far) the Stud seems to be more consistently flat-topped. I prefer the feel of flat-topped putters, especially for forehands.
But if you prefer Colts, stick with them. No reason to switch just because some random internet dude (me) prefers something else.
For shots that need a good fade I use a Medium Harp. I use XT Stud (and previously XT Colt) for straight to turnover approaches and for putting. Can't comment on other plastics because I have only used XT Studs and Colts.
For me the Colt and Stud are pretty similar. Stud is a little more resistant to turn and has a little more fade. But a worn XT Stud flies about like a fresh XT Colt, and it holds that flight for quite a while. Whereas for me, XT Colt starts out where I like it and wears in to a little more understable than I want.
The main reason I switched from Colt to Stud was that I had a hard time finding flat-topped Colts, whereas (so far) the Stud seems to be more consistently flat-topped. I prefer the feel of flat-topped putters, especially for forehands.
But if you prefer Colts, stick with them. No reason to switch just because some random internet dude (me) prefers something else.
That makes sense, I haven't used xt but if the colts beat in to US then I could see wanting a similar disc that keeps some stability. That said I went putter only round today and threw colts and the stud and did find some uses for it and I'll always keep it on hand because of it but if it were just a liiiiiitle bit more stable it would be perfect.
SD86
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You might want to look into the Infinite Discs Tomb. It's similar to the Stud and Colt, and is a wee bit more overstable than the Stud. An I-blend (which is Pro plastic) Tomb will slowly season in over time, and a D-blend (DX) Tomb will wear in faster. Until Pro Studs come out or I spring for a new XT Stud, I'm bagging an I-blend Tomb and it's doing well for me. :thmbup:
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Patapsco Valley, tossing warm-up putts at the practice basket. Another guy was putting and kindly picked up one of my Undead-stamped Studs.
As he was handing me the disc he did a double-take and said, "Hey, that's a really cool stamp."
