Local pros typically want more higher rated players to play their tournaments. Benefits include challenge, a higher ratings pool, etc, etc.
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Who is really washed up?
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Local pros typically want more higher rated players to play their tournaments. Benefits include challenge, a higher ratings pool, etc, etc.
Cgkdisc
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Higher ratings pool is not a benefit. (Myth buster).
Keller
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Define "washed up".
If you mean they will never return to their previous glory or be rated in the top 25 in the world?
Then where is the "all of the above" option? They're all done.
If you mean they can't compete regionally or in local A-B tiers?
Then none of them are washed up.
If you mean they will never return to their previous glory or be rated in the top 25 in the world?
Then where is the "all of the above" option? They're all done.
If you mean they can't compete regionally or in local A-B tiers?
Then none of them are washed up.
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Yeah, Schweb (who's 45 by the way) had 17 wins last year and 6 so far this year (without a thumber). He's making a living playing DG!!
No one's nominated me yet, and my rating has fallen a lot more than any of these guys.
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Maybe not always, but I've found it typically does increase SSA.
Cgkdisc
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It almost always will do that but it's due more to lower rated players in the field not playing as well under tournament pressure and little to do with more higher rated players entering the event. If you were only calculating ratings from the highest rated half of the field, the SSA would typically be lower than when you have more lower rated players not playing as well on championship course layouts.
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lyleoross
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While I agree, the thread could have been titled better, I find it a topic of discussion if everyone behaves themselves and treats our "elite" with the respect they deserve.
The OP did give a bit of a definition of washed up on page two, dropped twenty points etc. I'm gonna disagree with that. That simply means you've moved up to Masters cause you're getting old. I'm not Da Crippler, but I'm getting close to 60. My son likes to call me fat pack, I can take being told I'm old and slower than I was. I don't see it as a cut, rather, I see it as reality. But washed up shouldn't be aging, or should it? I don't consider Dave Feldberg as washed up, he's a dominant Masters age player who still makes the top two cards with some regularity.
So, what is washed up? Should it be washed out? Like, Stokley for example? Of course what washed him out was numbers, not a falling off in skill. Age combined with limited income.
The OP did give a bit of a definition of washed up on page two, dropped twenty points etc. I'm gonna disagree with that. That simply means you've moved up to Masters cause you're getting old. I'm not Da Crippler, but I'm getting close to 60. My son likes to call me fat pack, I can take being told I'm old and slower than I was. I don't see it as a cut, rather, I see it as reality. But washed up shouldn't be aging, or should it? I don't consider Dave Feldberg as washed up, he's a dominant Masters age player who still makes the top two cards with some regularity.
So, what is washed up? Should it be washed out? Like, Stokley for example? Of course what washed him out was numbers, not a falling off in skill. Age combined with limited income.
lyleoross
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Mine too. But it was never that high to begin with.
lyleoross
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As an aside, I hated seeing Rico stop traveling. His angry game face was the best.
I wish I could understand this better, because I've been told "ratings in = ratings out" so to speak. So what you're saying is...
1) Pool A - all 800 rated players.
2) Pool B - all 1000 rated players.
They both play the same course, same layout, shoot the same score, on different days, the ratings will be the same for each pool?
Cgkdisc
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A pool of all 800 rated propagators (or averaging 800) playing any course will generate round ratings that average close to 800 or slightly higher.
A pool of all 1000 rated propagators (or averaging 1000) playing any course will generate round ratings that average close to 1000 or a little higher.
Pools as small as 5 propagators of 800 and 1000 will never shoot the same average score on a course unless it's maybe 18 5-ft holes. A true 800 rated player statistically has a minuscule chance shoot a better score than a true 1000 rated player on a normal course playing at the same time. With two players rated 60 points apart, the lower rated player has the statistical chance to beat the higher rated player in one round about 1 in 36 rounds.
A pool of all 1000 rated propagators (or averaging 1000) playing any course will generate round ratings that average close to 1000 or a little higher.
Pools as small as 5 propagators of 800 and 1000 will never shoot the same average score on a course unless it's maybe 18 5-ft holes. A true 800 rated player statistically has a minuscule chance shoot a better score than a true 1000 rated player on a normal course playing at the same time. With two players rated 60 points apart, the lower rated player has the statistical chance to beat the higher rated player in one round about 1 in 36 rounds.
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lyleoross
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I voted for Will. I don't mind agreeing that he's dropped off but I wouldn't call him washed up. Still young and I think that if Prodigy came out with a P2V2 that he'd get the short game together. It's the one Prodigy P&A mold that doesn't fit. The other 3 are really good.
Time takes a toll on any athlete. *Insert Marsellus Wallace conversation with Butch* No need to focus on great players slowing down because of age.
Time takes a toll on any athlete. *Insert Marsellus Wallace conversation with Butch* No need to focus on great players slowing down because of age.
Schadenfreude, which it defined as, "delighting in others' misfortune". Many studies of schadenfreude are based on social comparison theory, the idea that when people around us have bad luck, we look better to ourselves. Other researchers have found that people with low self-esteem are more likely to feel schadenfreude than are people who have high self-esteem.
Brain-scanning studies show that schadenfreude is correlated with envy in subjects. Strong feelings of envy activated physical pain nodes in the brain's dorsal anterior cingulate cortex; the brain's reward centers, such as the ventral striatum, were activated by news that other people envied had suffered misfortune. The magnitude of the brain's schadenfreude response could even be predicted from the strength of the previous envy response.
Know thyself, young men and consider the high road.
And the next time you see any of these 'wash-outs', tell them how you feel right to their face.
I'm sure they'll be all ears...
Brain-scanning studies show that schadenfreude is correlated with envy in subjects. Strong feelings of envy activated physical pain nodes in the brain's dorsal anterior cingulate cortex; the brain's reward centers, such as the ventral striatum, were activated by news that other people envied had suffered misfortune. The magnitude of the brain's schadenfreude response could even be predicted from the strength of the previous envy response.
Know thyself, young men and consider the high road.
And the next time you see any of these 'wash-outs', tell them how you feel right to their face.
I'm sure they'll be all ears...
I am completely washed up..... and out.
SD86
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I don't think any of them are "washed up", but if the question is who has fallen the furthest from the highest perch, it almost has to be Will. He was right there with the top elites, then fell considerably after injury and other life things getting in the way.
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