Is it just me or...

[mostlynorwegian]

Funny. I often say that the Berg is a throwing putter for people with no touch.

A brick that likes to stay where it lands is an effective tool.

 

[Sheep]

Regarding the Berg, I picked one up last fall based on all the hype. It's been in the bag since, but I rarely throw it. If I need a straight approach shot, I'll throw the wizard. If there's a bunch of wind, usually there's room for the stego.

I'm thinking about playing a round or two without anything from my normal bag. Just the berg and a few other discs I've picked up recently. Maybe a wizard for putts only. See what makes an impression. If I'm still meh on the berg after that, I'll trade or sell it.

It's funny if you truly use Berg as a utility, and you pull it out to try and brush up on it, you get mad at it. Cause you're trying to throw 100 foot approach shots and it will keep landing 30 short.

I really dont like the idea of short approach shots requiring me to just full pull on a disc.

Who's talking about having difficulty throwing 100 ft? Approaching is the the strongest and most satisfying part of my game, but of course there is always more to learn, and a plethora of ways to depilate the petite panther.

Are you mental or something?

 

[Countchunkula]

It's funny if you truly use Berg as a utility, and you pull it out to try and brush up on it, you get mad at it. Cause you're trying to throw 100 foot approach shots and it will keep landing 30 short.

I really dont like the idea of short approach shots requiring me to just full pull on a disc.

I haven't used it enough to say what hole it might or might not fill. So far, it's just been extra ballast on my back. Hence the idea to force myself to use it for a few rounds and see what happens.

 

[Sheep]

I haven't used it enough to say what hole it might or might not fill. So far, it's just been extra ballast on my back. Hence the idea to force myself to use it for a few rounds and see what happens.

Every time I break it out to try it again, it just turns into "this effing thing goes nowhere" and I get sick of it really quick.

 

[BenjiHeywood]

Every time I break it out to try it again, it just turns into "this effing thing goes nowhere" and I get sick of it really quick.

I've always thrown nose-up anny forehand approaches inside 120 feet or so, it's a natural shot for me coming from ultimate. I've got decent touch on them. But the berg just makes it even easier, particularly under pressure when you tense up. If you get the angle wrong by 10 degrees, it misses by five feet. If you throw it 30 percent harder, it goes 5 percent further. Just so forgiving.

 

[mostlynorwegian]

I've always thrown nose-up anny forehand approaches inside 120 feet or so, it's a natural shot for me coming from ultimate. I've got decent touch on them. But the berg just makes it even easier, particularly under pressure when you tense up. If you get the angle wrong by 10 degrees, it misses by five feet. If you throw it 30 percent harder, it goes 5 percent further. Just so forgiving.

Nose up. it's like throwing lawn darts. It's so controllable.

 

[Sheep]

I've always thrown nose-up anny forehand approaches inside 120 feet or so, it's a natural shot for me coming from ultimate. I've got decent touch on them. But the berg just makes it even easier, particularly under pressure when you tense up. If you get the angle wrong by 10 degrees, it misses by five feet. If you throw it 30 percent harder, it goes 5 percent further. Just so forgiving.

I can't forehand bergs with their inner rim angle.

I prefer the Dillo. Much more versatile and easier to throw, does the same things a berg does.

And while it flies like a brick, its just overall more forgiving on the throws all together with releases and speed. I don't have to give it what feels like 180% to get to the target, even though I have to still give it some umpf.

Handfeel is just all around better feeling on the Dillo.

 

[BenjiHeywood]

Hand feel is the key. My hands are enormous and i spent 20 years throwing ultrastars, so the berg sits very well. Oh and i throw three-finger forehands, which is unusual even in ultimate. It's not going to suit everyone. But if you like the hand feel, it's rather wonderful.

I even putt with them, out to about 60-70 feet, then switch to forehanding the berg to run anything longer. Being able to give it a genuine run and still rarely have more than 10 feet for the comebacker is amazing.

It took me a while to use it well in tournaments - I'd go for the safe sensible lay up from 100 feet, and leave it 30 feet short. The trick is to play like i practice and run it, it'll never go far past (well, ok, i still might lay up a 100 foot death putt, but on the flat you can run everything out to 200 feet). And sometimes it goes in.

 

[Naenae]

Are you mental or something?

Oh cool! I love constructive criticism!

 

[Naenae]

Handfeel is just all around better feeling on the Dillo.

Harder to come by in my local store. Bergs and Berg-x's in a variety of plastics fly off the shelves but are always in supply. Wouldn't mind looking at a Dillo, but you can't see what ain't there.

 

[ninjabq]

OT did actually have a video on this topic, and it did get me to stop throwing the Berg on every approach shot lol

 

[wolfhaley]

Harder to come by in my local store. Bergs and Berg-x's in a variety of plastics fly off the shelves but are always in supply. Wouldn't mind looking at a Dillo, but you can't see what ain't there.

The Dillo is pretty cool actually from the few times I've thrown one. Polecatish with a Rhyno/Ringer type thumbtrack top while retaining the Polecat flight. Good disc.

It's not going to be confused with a Berg though.

 

[Sheep]

The Dillo is pretty cool actually from the few times I've thrown one. Polecatish with a Rhyno/Ringer type thumbtrack top while retaining the Polecat flight. Good disc.

It's not going to be confused with a Berg though.

When we tested the dillo, we tested it against a k1 berg.

Throw for throw every hole we'd throw both.

in the end of throwing, we concluded the dillo did the same thing but was far easier to do it with and a tad more forgiving. And the overall handfeel was better because of the bergs inner rim issue.


The berg is a good disc.
But these approach disc things people lean on to hard, its.. i mean, if it works, cool. But you're handycapping yourself. And I think this is a concept that some people can't get by. You're not going to increase your skill set if you have to rely on a disc like the berg for your upshots. Your putting yourself in a box and sitting there without any level or ability to expand.

Just like the people who throw 300 feet and swear they can't throw far enough to throw a slower disc 300 feet.
you're throwing a 13 speed. It's designed for 550+ flight, not 300 foot dinkers.
"well, i can't throw 6 speeds as far as you."

uh, yes you can. You just choose to lean on the crutch.

We need to start kicking the crutch out from under players who complain about not getting better. And.. The berg is one of those discs.

A good berg replacement to teach you is actually the Glitch. You'll get that straight flight, but you dont have to sit there and grip it and rip it to get it to go 100 feet.

 

[PastorofMuppets]

The Dillo is pretty cool actually from the few times I've thrown one. Polecatish with a Rhyno/Ringer type thumbtrack top while retaining the Polecat flight. Good disc.

It's not going to be confused with a Berg though.

100% agree. The Berg can handle all kinds of OAT, wind, acts of the spaghetti monster in the sky, and power and it's still going to give you the same very straight then run out of speed brick style approach. Wonderful disc for running baskets from distance with little risk of being more than a few feet from the basket. User friendly for sure, but doesn't take a ton of finesse or "touch" to utilize. Can cover up a ton of mistakes and bad form in newer players. But certainly not a bad disc, I think it just inhibits players ability to get better in some regards because it masks so many things you could be doing wrong. The hand feel also takes some getting used to, especially if you have smaller hands. The giant bumblebee of the disc world.

The Dillo is a lot more like a glidy Polecat with a low thumbtrack, definitely more touchy and slightly more understable (especially with power or OAT). You can actually shape a Dillo with angles verses the Berg. Most Berg throwers when given a Dillo hate it because those mistakes the Berg was covering up get exposed. While I certainly like both discs for very different reasons, they compete for the same spot. The Dillo lost out of the Copperhead (also from LSD and also has the small thumbtrack) simply because I wanted something a little more over stable but similar in flight and feel because my area is inherently very windy almost daily and the Dillo can get squirrely when the wind picks up.

 

[Sheep]

You can actually shape a Dillo with angles verses the Berg. Most Berg throwers when given a Dillo hate it because those mistakes the Berg was covering up get exposed.

Kick out that crutch. =-)

 

[TiltedFlipCurves]

Probably not an amazing play if wind kicks up but just tossing a Xero at the basket seems sufficient a lot of the time

 

[BenjiHeywood]

Here in the east of Scotland, the average wind speed for the whole year is over 10mph. Well over 15mph for some months. So 20mph, gusting 30+, is a pretty ordinary day. I'm gonna stick with my berg. I can throw with touch when i need to, but it's a losing strategy around here lol.

 

[Brychanus]

Here in the east of Scotland, the average wind speed for the whole year is over 10mph. Well over 15mph for some months. So 20mph, gusting 30+, is a pretty ordinary day. I'm gonna stick with my berg. I can throw with touch when i need to, but it's a losing strategy around here lol.

Berg->Tilt->Flick gang?

 

[TiltedFlipCurves]

Here in the east of Scotland, the average wind speed for the whole year is over 10mph. Well over 15mph for some months. So 20mph, gusting 30+, is a pretty ordinary day. I'm gonna stick with my berg. I can throw with touch when i need to, but it's a losing strategy around here lol.

Yeah they prefer to put baskets along wooded hiking trails in North Carolina and call them courses so mileages may vary

 

[BenjiHeywood]

Berg->Tilt->Flick gang?

Berg - Monster - Rive, certainly.