Is it just me or...

[Naenae]

Just like the people who throw 300 feet and swear they can't throw far enough to throw a slower disc 300 feet.
you're throwing a 13 speed. It's designed for 550+ flight, not 300 foot dinkers.
"well, i can't throw 6 speeds as far as you."

So physical limitations don't actually exist for some people? Cool.

What is it to you if somebody else uses a disc differently than you do, or leans on a disc you don't particularly like?

 

[Nick Carroll]

I've used a Birdie, Polecat, and Sonic off and on in the last several years and I dig the slower speed discs. I've settled on using the Hydrogen (1 2 0 0) for a drive off the tee on a par 2 course I play weekly on 1 hole, and the Dillo (1 2 0 1) on another. But for the most part I rely on my Animal, Rhyno, and Pig for upshots in most rounds, depending on the stability needs. I think of the 1 speeds as utility discs. Not used often, but sometimes they're perfect for some shots.

 

[Naenae]

I've used a Birdie, Polecat, and Sonic off and on in the last several years and I dig the slower speed discs. I've settled on using the Hydrogen (1 2 0 0) for a drive off the tee on a par 2 course I play weekly on 1 hole, and the Dillo (1 2 0 1) on another. But for the most part I rely on my Animal, Rhyno, and Pig for upshots in most rounds, depending on the stability needs. I think of the 1 speeds as utility discs. Not used often, but sometimes they're perfect for some shots.

Short of buying dozens, if not hundreds of discs, it's a bit of a mystery to me how anyone settles on any one putter or group of putters on purely an empiric basis. The owner of my local store, advising me specifically about putters, said, "Just pick one and marry it." He's not wrong.

 

[EllEstar]

Here in the east of Scotland, the average wind speed for the whole year is over 10mph. Well over 15mph for some months. So 20mph, gusting 30+, is a pretty ordinary day. I'm gonna stick with my berg. I can throw with touch when i need to, but it's a losing strategy around here lol.

Berg->Tilt->Flick gang?

This is exactly my life, 12 mph is standard, 8-16 mph depending on the month, our cutoff for canceling tournaments is sustained >45 mph, but we regularly play in 30-40 sustained with gusts up to 60.

When people say you just need to throw understable putters on soft nose up anhyzers I just think of kites in a hurricane.

I'll keep bagging a Berg and a Zone OS.

Edit: Berg->Flare->Nuke OS

 

[Sheep]

So physical limitations don't actually exist for some people? Cool.

What is it to you if somebody else uses a disc differently than you do, or leans on a disc you don't particularly like?

I don't think you understand how disc golf works...
Physical limitations have nothing to do with any of what I'm talking about. And then on top of that, you're going to make things up about what I said.

The people are complaining about not being able to do it, but they refuse to try.

 

[Brychanus]

This is exactly my life, 12 mph is standard, 8-16 mph depending on the month, our cutoff for canceling tournaments is sustained >45 mph, but we regularly play in 30-40 sustained with gusts up to 60.

When people say you just need to throw understable putters on soft nose up anhyzers I just think of kites in a hurricane.

I'll keep bagging a Berg and a Zone OS.

Edit: Berg->Flare->Nuke OS

My first experience with "kites in a hurricane" was about 3 months after I started playing. I was throwing a very beat secondhand Pro Beast. I had no idea what to expect.

The course had tight OB fairways crisscrossing an open field. In addition to my poor throwing, the winds were gusting maybe 20mph. The beast flipped up and over into a roller angle immediately, kept bouncing while the wind kept pushing the flight plate, shoving the bouncing disc aggressively to my right. There was also a bit of tailwind so it keep bouncing forward and comically high over and over. It crossed not one but two fairways, then lost gas in OB right of that second fairway.

So I still enjoy throwing understable, but yeah, there's some beef in the bag now lol

 

[EllEstar]

My first experience with "kites in a hurricane" was about 3 months after I started playing. I was throwing a very beat secondhand Pro Beast. I had no idea what to expect.

The course had tight OB fairways crisscrossing an open field. In addition to my poor throwing, the winds were gusting maybe 20mph. The beast flipped up and over into a roller angle immediately, kept bouncing while the wind kept pushing the flight plate, shoving the bouncing disc aggressively to my right. There was also a bit of tailwind so it keep bouncing forward and comically high over and over. It crossed not one but two fairways, then lost gas in OB right of that second fairway.

So I still enjoy throwing understable, but yeah, there's some beef in the bag now lol

I started playing mid-summer in one of the best summers in recent memory, very few days over 10 mph and with horrible form I loaded up on 150g understable stuff and started throwing nose up anhyzers all over the place.

I started playing PDGA tournaments like 6 weeks in and one of my earliest tournaments was an autumn tournament in almost 40 mph where I shot a career low 537 rated round with my excellent kites.

I still carry a 166g distance driver for tailwind bombs, but everything else is max weight these days.

 

[ru4por]

I started playing mid-summer in one of the best summers in recent memory, very few days over 10 mph and with horrible form I loaded up on 150g understable stuff and started throwing nose up anhyzers all over the place.

I started playing PDGA tournaments like 6 weeks in and one of my earliest tournaments was an autumn tournament in almost 40 mph where I shot a career low 537 rated round with my excellent kites.

I still carry a 166g distance driver for tailwind bombs, but everything else is max weight these days.

Lightweight, understable disc can be thrown in the wind. You just have to learn how and practice.

 

[ILUVSMGS18]

A good berg replacement to teach you is actually the Glitch. You'll get that straight flight, but you dont have to sit there and grip it and rip it to get it to go 100 feet.

I'm one of the few that bags both, and a Zone and Rhyno to boot! I also bag both a Comet and Quake so what does that say about me?

 

[BenjiHeywood]

Lightweight, understable disc can be thrown in the wind. You just have to learn how and practice.

I'm intrigued. I'd say anything can be thrown in a steady wind with practice, yes, but when it's a gusty wind i don't think any amount of practice will make a lightweight understable disc behave. All discs are going to do somewhat funky things in gusts, but lightweight ones will have even bigger variance surely?

 

[wolfhaley]

This is great stuff. Classic DGCR.

Nobody knows each other. One guy lives in Tulsa, other guy lives in St. Paul. Open windy versus tight technical. Yet there can only be one approach disc to settle appropriate acceptable approach distances for everyone. Lulz!

Blue lightsabers over green all day every day BTW.

 

[Casey 1988]

Usually with 12 speed drivers too.

Or approach discs so overstable when in tight woods and doing same distance approach, players are lost. I am saying OS Zone/Toro or more overstable by term so overstable.

 

[Casey 1988]

The consensus on that is that berg is a great disc for people who have no speed control.

Which, they are not wrong. Most of the people I see throwing upshots with bergs have absolutely no power control.

However, if its stupid and it works. =)

There are more discs that do that same thing the berg does, just everyone jizzes in their panties over bergs.

I agree, a Rhyno does about the same but is easier to put spin on disc.

 

[Casey 1988]

Am I only one using a Shark in Star/G-Star for my overstable approach disc? I do have a neutral/slightly understable for when I need to in a 2005 Lightning #2 Upshot in Prostyle that was 166 grams when new and is not windy as then I use an old Pro Shark from end of old Pro in 2014.

 

[playrecords]

This is great stuff. Classic DGCR.

Nobody knows each other. One guy lives in Tulsa, other guy lives in St. Paul. Open windy versus tight technical. Yet there can only be one approach disc to settle appropriate acceptable approach distances for everyone. Lulz!

Blue lightsabers over green all day every day BTW.

It's a Zone. Or a Toro. Wait which side of the fence am I on again?

 

[Sheep]

I'd personally rather see someone using a zone for approaches than a berg.

"Oh I need my berg for the wind."

It's because you dont have spin/speed control you need your berg. You're literally throwing a brick at the basket.
I mean, that's fine.

But the excuse is "its windy, so its necessary." While there are people reading this thread going "lawl. they think it doesn't get windy here or something."

I play in 30-40mph winds here in middle Tennessee. It gets windy everywhere. You can keep playing with the crutch, your you can learn to throw different shots that are usually far more controllable that "grip and rip" berg shots.

But in the end, this is what's important.
You do what's best for your game.
But, also acknowledge that some methods of play are you getting the bumper guards put up on the bowling lane.

So people would say "why would you bother to play with other discs, this works."

Because I value my ability to throw 15 different up shots, while you have 1.

 

[ru4por]

I'm intrigued. I'd say anything can be thrown in a steady wind with practice, yes, but when it's a gusty wind i don't think any amount of practice will make a lightweight understable disc behave. All discs are going to do somewhat funky things in gusts, but lightweight ones will have even bigger variance surely?

It is really a matter of playing to any discs strengths and mitigating the impacts of outside influences. Keeping lightweight, understable discs LOW. Increasing the hyzer angle on low, headwind throws, can often yield more distance and predictability, than a max weight, overstable disc. Both crosswinds can be mitigated by controlling the flight plate exposure and again, keeping it LOW. Tailwinds..............BOMB AWAY. You have to practice and execute both the height and angle control.

 

[Countchunkula]

Sometimes you just have to laugh when the wind is really up. Yesterday, I tried to lean out from behind a tree and throw a high forehand anhyzer into a massive headwind. It was always going to end poorly since my forehand is a mess and I did not disappoint. It penetrated forward for a second and then the wind stopped the disc and pushed it backwards. It ended up landing about 25' to my right.

 

[Naenae]

It is really a matter of playing to any discs strengths and mitigating the impacts of outside influences. Keeping lightweight, understable discs LOW. Increasing the hyzer angle on low, headwind throws, can often yield more distance and predictability, than a max weight, overstable disc. Both crosswinds can be mitigated by controlling the flight plate exposure and again, keeping it LOW. Tailwinds..............BOMB AWAY. You have to practice and execute both the height and angle control.

This is what I have been working on this spring--low shots and hitting gaps. For my old, weak arm, the ability to stay light is much more important than the need for a specific distance outcome.

As for the Berg, I use it in windy conditions as a putting putter much more than I use it on approach. There, I feel like I am more dialed in with my Tempo, although it is just now developing a little bit of turn, which I'd rather not have on short/medium approaches. The Tempo, by the way, is a great putting putter, IMO, but it would be nice to have it in electron.

 

[Brychanus]

Blue lightsabers over green all day every day BTW.