Twmccoy
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Today's disc comparison is a couple Trilogy fairway drivers, neither of which I'd thrown until today.
Ahti is Tournament plastic, 175g. Pioneer is Opto plastic, 174g.
Pioneer has a 1.9 CM rim width. 1.2 CM rim depth. Rated at 9, 3, 0, 4.
Ahti has a 2.0 CM rim width. 1.1 rim depth. Rated at 9, 3, 0, 4.
Both of these discs have the same flight numbers as a Firebird, which is the disc I was replacing with them today.
One thing that became apparent early on was that the Pioneer is definitely the less stable of the two. The Pioneer will bend right a little on headwind drives, while the Ahti won't. The Pioneer also glides a little better, and fades later than the Ahti.
The Ahti had that perfect classic Firebird flight. Fairly poor glide, no high speed turn, and a lot of fade. The Firebird and Ahti are interchangeable, and for me do the exact same thing.
The Pioneer was slightly glidier, less stable, and longer than the Ahti. It seemed a little finicky in headwinds and didn't always end up where I wanted it. The Pioneer reminded me of a beat Firebird, a Felon, or a Raptor. It's a good overstable disc, but doesn't hold up great in headwinds. In calm conditions it did fine.
Top distance with the Pioneer was probably 360'. Ahti was 20' less, due to less glide and much earlier fade.
Conclusions: Both the Ahti and Pioneer are good, overstable fairway drivers. The Pioneer did well in situations where a little more distance was needed. It definitely stretches out better than the Ahti. The Ahti was great on headwind drives where a left finish was needed.
Both of these could be bagged and used for slightly different shots.
My numbers (based on what I saw today).
Ahti: 9, 3, 0, 4. Same as given. Westside actually rated this disc correctly. It flies as it should.
Pioneer: 9, 4, 0, 3. The Pioneer definitely glides better than the Ahti, and fades later. Still a fairly hard fade, but it isn't as soon. Fade is a bit softer than the Ahti.
This combo of discs actually made a good tandem, and I found myself reaching for both on the course today. The Pioneer worked well when I needed to stretch out the distance a little. Ahti worked better into headwinds.
If I had to pick one or the other I'd probably take the Ahti. I bag a Firebird, and the Ahti filled in perfectly for it. I didn't have to learn the Ahti at all. I just pretended I was throwing the Firebird, and it did all the same stuff.
Ahti is Tournament plastic, 175g. Pioneer is Opto plastic, 174g.
Pioneer has a 1.9 CM rim width. 1.2 CM rim depth. Rated at 9, 3, 0, 4.
Ahti has a 2.0 CM rim width. 1.1 rim depth. Rated at 9, 3, 0, 4.
Both of these discs have the same flight numbers as a Firebird, which is the disc I was replacing with them today.
One thing that became apparent early on was that the Pioneer is definitely the less stable of the two. The Pioneer will bend right a little on headwind drives, while the Ahti won't. The Pioneer also glides a little better, and fades later than the Ahti.
The Ahti had that perfect classic Firebird flight. Fairly poor glide, no high speed turn, and a lot of fade. The Firebird and Ahti are interchangeable, and for me do the exact same thing.
The Pioneer was slightly glidier, less stable, and longer than the Ahti. It seemed a little finicky in headwinds and didn't always end up where I wanted it. The Pioneer reminded me of a beat Firebird, a Felon, or a Raptor. It's a good overstable disc, but doesn't hold up great in headwinds. In calm conditions it did fine.
Top distance with the Pioneer was probably 360'. Ahti was 20' less, due to less glide and much earlier fade.
Conclusions: Both the Ahti and Pioneer are good, overstable fairway drivers. The Pioneer did well in situations where a little more distance was needed. It definitely stretches out better than the Ahti. The Ahti was great on headwind drives where a left finish was needed.
Both of these could be bagged and used for slightly different shots.
My numbers (based on what I saw today).
Ahti: 9, 3, 0, 4. Same as given. Westside actually rated this disc correctly. It flies as it should.
Pioneer: 9, 4, 0, 3. The Pioneer definitely glides better than the Ahti, and fades later. Still a fairly hard fade, but it isn't as soon. Fade is a bit softer than the Ahti.
This combo of discs actually made a good tandem, and I found myself reaching for both on the course today. The Pioneer worked well when I needed to stretch out the distance a little. Ahti worked better into headwinds.
If I had to pick one or the other I'd probably take the Ahti. I bag a Firebird, and the Ahti filled in perfectly for it. I didn't have to learn the Ahti at all. I just pretended I was throwing the Firebird, and it did all the same stuff.