jobwilson
Eagle Member
It really should have stayed at 1000 points. All a person had to do was finish 44th or better at BG Ams to earn the 500 and qualify.
44th or better in Rec that is.
44th or better in Rec that is.
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MA1 for Worlds is FULL!!!
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My point was that when the points criteria was a bit tougher you generally didn't see folks with 800ish ratings showing up until after the invite-only period ended. Shouldn't the right to go to an invite based championship reward those who have earned it first before you let any joe blow with a fat wallet in?
In short, they should have left the points criteria the way that it was as its much too easy now. At last years Bowling Green Ams, more than 240 people walked away with enough points to qualify for this year's Am Worlds. Several others walked away with a large majority of what they would need.
Showing up at one large tournament to get a bunch of cheap points isn't exactly what I call support. Particularly when there were others who played more events, performed better, and have a higher rating to justify that they should have had a shot at getting a spot first.
walker
Par Member
wait till you see my 873 rated behind signed up for pro open.
I will be there with my pedestrian 907 rated self.
I'll be there... Taking pictures... Of pros...
/Moons the Ams...
/Moons the Ams...
SoupD
Par Member
Lol, my sub 900 will be playing open pro now too. Who said you can't jump from rec directly to pro!!!!
Garrett76zt
Par Member
I'd be interested to see what percentage of the amateur field each year is made up of invited players vs. open registrants. To pushback on your point, if attendance has little to do with invites THEN WHY DID THEY CHANGE IT? If you invite more people you have more people that have more time to make up their minds about coming to your event. . .
Yes but you should also take into account that in alot of places around the country your field size is DRASTICALLY reduced when you move up from INT to ADV. There are tons of tournaments that the MA2 winner gets more points than the MA1 winner does.
I guess my beef with changing the points requirements for Worlds is that points are ALREADY virtually useless. Qualifying for Worlds was pretty much the only reason to even have points cross your mind. They really mean nothing now.
Garrett76zt
Par Member
On another note, for those of us that are upset they changed the points requirements . . . it won't stay that way for long if Worlds keeps filling! I'm sure Charlotte will claim that it filled because they are hosting but hopefully it also means our sport is growing. So if its gonna fill every year then all they can do is increase the quality of the players who partake.
jobwilson
Eagle Member
What about this idea: 500 points AND you must have played at least one event in the division you intend on playing at Worlds.
That's just an idea. I don't like 500.
That's just an idea. I don't like 500.
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how about you just sign up earlier and stop crying about the people who got off their ass and did sign up early.
Yea there are a number of things the PDGA might want to look at. You are right though, when I look at events in other areas I am suprised to see 8-10 Advanced and 30 INT. I think we have pretty even fields in Charlotte... and the Advanced players ARE at least advanced skill level.
One reason that I think in some parts of the country we're seeing large MA2 fields is that some TD's are going trophy only with MA3 or aren't offering it at all. MA3 players then play up. When guys who usually play MA1, but are MA2 eligible, see that huge field of likely donators, then they play down. MA1 players who aren't eligible, get discouraged by this and go play MPO or an age protected division if they're eligible. I saw an entire MA1 division disappear once due to this.
^if this is the case then why are their so many "INT donators" registered. seems that too many MA1 regulars got lazy and now can play up or watch us get this great experience. I think the reason there are so many people playing INT across the country is that there is added pressure to not play MA3 once you have won. and there are a lot of ADV players who should prob play open but dont, so if your rated 933 or so why play up and get smoked by some local whiz rated 996 or so. just sayin......
7 more people register and we can say 2012 AM worlds - Charlotte was biggest am event ever. Its tough without the INT and REC divisions.
chopz33
Eagle Member
what are the odds people on the waiting list get called to play?
Because Am Worlds is always seen as much as a party as a competition, and at $115 for entry compared to $500+ in ancillary expenses, that's a bargain considering an event like this doesn't happen in everyone's neck of the woods every year. Even under the old invite criteria this was the case.
Or they just didn't realize the invite criteria had loosened considerably.
Or in the case that I mentioned, there's no incentive to stay down since there's nothing to win.
Why should a 933 rated player play Open? Why doesn't he just stay in Advanced? If we stopped paying Ams prizes and treated them like true amateurs, perhaps we wouldn't have that issue. Of course, I'm sure attendance at tournaments most everywhere would plummet.
wasnt saying they should play Open, but the 997 rated Am playing adv should.
No person in any sport should be forced to play professionally. The term bagger for MA1 doesn't exist in my book.
And 997 rated Ams can't play INT, so they have absolutely no influence on large MA2 fields. There are also only two Ams in the entire world rated that high. There are fewer than 25 rated 980 or higher.
So what was your point?
that Paul Priest guy needs to go Pro.. if he started a thread on here i'd tell him that.
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