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Maybe it's just the questions wording that has riled me somehow. I keep putting myself in the position of player N and if that situation occurred to me I would be absolutely furious. Not only are you being called a cheat by three other players you are being given a stroke penalty with no burden of proof whatsoever - they haven't seen you cheating, they just don't believe you are telling the truth? We've all seen many many strange and unexpected lies from throws where if you hadn't seen it arrive there you'd never believe it had.
We're all also encouraged to keep up speed of play. I get to my lie, I'm good to go, I crack on. If someone had any doubts I'd hope they would voice them before I took my shot anyway.
The idea that I could step up to a perfectly good lie, throw my perfectly good shot and get penalised does not sit well.
Also if you question someone on moving a lie enough to give them a stroke penalty then surely they should be disqualified for cheating anyway? How can you continue a round where a group has just accused you of cheating/lieing and penalised you for it. You're either a cheat and should be out or you're not and you're taken at your word? I can't see the situation where both can apply? Ie you're not a cheat, but we didn't see it so here's a stroke penalty for good measure? Really? I'm not seeing the shade of grey. The rule becomes superfluous. Competition Manual 3.03 C 1 takes over.
And also, is the answer listed as correct, correct? If a player has taken the shot and then subsequently (but before another player throws) the lie was deemed to be incorrect, isn't it a misplay? - 811 F C Shouldn't it be a rethrow and a one shot penalty? The wording of the question seems to suggest they allow his throw and the round to continue but give him a stroke.
This has got me as annoyed as though it has happened to me
We're all also encouraged to keep up speed of play. I get to my lie, I'm good to go, I crack on. If someone had any doubts I'd hope they would voice them before I took my shot anyway.
The idea that I could step up to a perfectly good lie, throw my perfectly good shot and get penalised does not sit well.
Also if you question someone on moving a lie enough to give them a stroke penalty then surely they should be disqualified for cheating anyway? How can you continue a round where a group has just accused you of cheating/lieing and penalised you for it. You're either a cheat and should be out or you're not and you're taken at your word? I can't see the situation where both can apply? Ie you're not a cheat, but we didn't see it so here's a stroke penalty for good measure? Really? I'm not seeing the shade of grey. The rule becomes superfluous. Competition Manual 3.03 C 1 takes over.
And also, is the answer listed as correct, correct? If a player has taken the shot and then subsequently (but before another player throws) the lie was deemed to be incorrect, isn't it a misplay? - 811 F C Shouldn't it be a rethrow and a one shot penalty? The wording of the question seems to suggest they allow his throw and the round to continue but give him a stroke.
This has got me as annoyed as though it has happened to me