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Marwede has a similar style putt. If you look at the 5:20 mark, he releases differently than you, kinda like Ricky. Maybe stare and compare yours and Marwede?
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The bolded is similar to how Climo used to advise people to pretend the disc is a brick and you are trying to toss it into the basket.
Thank you! Quick point of clarification do you use a regular hammer or like a weighted sledge/mallet?
Marwede has a similar style putt. If you look at the 5:20 mark, he releases differently than you, kinda like Ricky. Maybe stare and compare yours and Marwede?
The one thing thats mind blowing about his putt is that he finishes with his like his 4 fingers under the disc and thumb facing forward and is totally unobstructed/clean release. I can never get the release right like his with the heel of the palm pointing at the basket
A lot of people say putting is 100% mental ... I disagree. I think putting is 100% athleticism and timing. Even push putting requires very precise timing to eliminate left/right misses.
Aiming and focusing are 100% mental. Staring down one link and searing it into your aim, can be completely undone by the sound of a walnut crashing to the ground behind you. People say putting is mental because they already assume you've put in the hours to nail down the athletic timing. Repeating a motion and timing can get me to chain three c2 putts in a row practicing. On the course I have to focus on aim and hope my pinky doesn't screw it up. Or that stupid vine that cost me a missed putt today.
I'm not sure if you're still having the same trouble with wobbly putts and pulling right but I thought I'd share what worked for me. I was having similar problems and have recently found that it helps me to practice being loose and fluid throughout my putting motion.
The main reason this seems to be working for me is because my wrist can naturally coil and uncoil during the putting stroke. I have found that muscling the disc while putting is just as bad as muscling during a backhand throw. I think that actively muscling the putt causes me to pull the disc off line. Alternately, if my wrist remains board straight, the disc has very little spin and wobbles.
Lately I've been focused on having a smooth natural feeling stroke with a little bit of wrist coil at the bottom of the backswing, almost as if the weight of the disc has brought my hand in further. During the up swing, I try to bring everything up and forward and the weight of the disc pulls my hand out into the shake hands with the basket position. I also try to finish with my palm up a bit. For some reason my hand has a natural tendency to finish Palm down and it leads to short powerless putts.
It also really helped me to practice from 30 and 40 feet without any concern for making the putt. I try to analyze how the stroke felt and how much effort it takes to move it forward. When I muscle the putt, 40 ft feels unreachable. If everything is smooth and fluid, a 40 footer can easily sail past the basket.
Open question to you or other people, where do you feel the pressure when you hold the disc? I feel almost all the pressure on the inside of my ring fingertip. This is also the last point of contact and this is one that catches and causes wobble. It feels like my hand naturally supinates and then the ring comes up and rubs along the bottom of the disc and causes a ton of wobble
Ok, I think i've come to a bit of a breakthrough. If you're push putting but still missing left and right, what was happening in my case was I was (unintentionally) creating a pivot with my fingers. In a sense I was doing a spush putt with my "fingers" rather than wrist. This creates problems because now not only are you missing up down left and right, but unlike a true "spush" putt you're not compensating for it. You're trying to go straight and this disc is going left and right out of the hand. You're "shaking hands with the basket" and "picking a link" 10 feet from the basket and still missing. I have literally airballed 10ft putts this way.
The fix for this is to learn to push with the heel of your palm straight at the target. The million dollar question is "how?" It's not really well explained anywhere, and it's kind of abstract. It starts with having the disc firmly in the palm of your hand, with pressure on the ring, middle and pinky fingers and virtually no pressure on the index and thumb. Some people use the pinky to tuck the disc into the palm but this isnt comfortable for me. The other part of it is visualizing and committing to "pushing with the heel" of your palm and practicing until you get it. I still misfire but when I get it right its almost like im scooping the disc with the heel of my palm to the target. I come down slow and then swing up fast while opening my hand, really focusing on the palm. When you do it correctly the disc will come out with a lot more pace than you would think. It also feels a lot more jerky than you would think but if you look at Aaron Gossage or Feldberg putt it really is jerkier than like a smooth spush putt. It really is the anti-touch putt. When it hits you can't mess it up.
[*]No bending at the waist: What I mean is that I would bend up at the hips on my upswing. If you look at rick or aaron gossage, their spine angle is kind of locked during their putt:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z-ENNGkJBo . Need to shift weight not bend up and down. This helps prevent the "unsheating the sword" mechanic where the arm naturally wants to finish up and to the right, bringing the disc up to the right.
This is interesting and I may have been wrong about how I thought this worked. I watched that video slowly a number of times.
I have thought that the arm is powered by the hip hinge, and that one of the best preparations for that is probably the Single Leg Dead Lift. But I should see the angle from thigh to spine straightening during the throw, and in your video I don't think I see that. (Well, I do, but the disc is already gone at that point.)
But I also don't see a forward weight shift. I see vertical pressure downwards as the forward leg straightens, while the hip hinge maintains the angle not allowing any slack. The back leg comes up not to show forward shift, but to balance the torso in front of the leg.
Maybe, anyway.