Step/Jump Putt rule change?

[ru4por]

Lol extremist much? Sooo salty.

Just on the pro tour or dgpt tour. Feldberg changed out all perfectly good disc catcher baskets at an event in Austin with prodigy baskets.....just because prodigy sponsored or something.

Can be done, will be done. Only a matter of when. Keep your kleenex close so you're ready when it happens.

You say salty, I say practical.

 

[Danderlion]

I guess I don't get it. If you just remove C1 and apply the rules to C2, what is the problem. If you want to throw a roller, knock yourself out, just don't run up or follow through. Shrug, I don't jump or step putt. I can easily stand and deliver any throw to the basket from 100 feet. I honestly don't understand who cannot.

Not advocating for the rule change, but I guess it does not really impact me.

100% agree. It's all personal preference. And from how I see it, the top 2 best putters in the world, Ricky and Eagle, don't jump putt unless they well outside 60 feet. I'd have Paul at #3 and even he doesn't jump unless he's outside circle 2. I'd put a healthy Simon at #4 and basically same for him.

Chris Dickerson at #5 is the only guy in the top 6 who step putts. Calvin at #6, same as Eagle, stand and deliver.

Same thing on FPO really. I have Paige, Hailey, Evelinna, Lisa and Holly as the top FPO putters and pretty much all 5 are stand and deliver until they hit well outside the circle.

I agree with these posts. A simple weight transfer with a nice push off the back foot will give you the putting distance required for almost any C2 putt (unless low ceiling maybe). The step putt seems a little silly to me (especially just outside of C1), since you can just regular putt and have better results.

 

[Emoney]

You say salty, I say practical.

By you wanting to keep the basket the same, you have already accepted that the pros play on different baskets.

There is a certain strike zone where just about 99% of putts will catch on every basket. With the lack of uniformity in the baskets the pros use, any putt outside that strike zone have a different chance of catching. You have already accepted this.

Where your creativity and thoughts end, mine continues. What im suggesting is already happening on a small less noticable way.

So its a matter of practicality..i get it, hauling around a small set of baskets to every pro tour event can be expensive and time consuming....

Well, covid has just shot a huge amount of money into disc golf. Jeff spring (or whatever his name is) travels to all these tournies anyway. Your saying he cant pull behind a small trailer or hire someone to pull a small trailer of pro level thin baskets to his events?

That the idea of that cant happen?

If disc golf continues to grow at the rate it is, the money will allow for all types of unpractical changes.

This idea to take away jump putts is terrible. You are taking away the only entertaining part of putting.

Just walk down this thought process with me. Its a fun walk, just hold my hand and we can make this game better....together (heart emoji)

 

[autocrosscrx]

I can't say that I derive a lot of enjoyment out of watching jump putts. Watching Calvin or Eagle effortlessly spin one in from 60 is a lot more aesthetically pleasing to me.

 

[Jay Dub]

Jump putting looks stupid and unprofessional. Step putting can be done completely behind the mini.

 

[RyanRehberg535]

Just to be clear. This is not currently being discussed by the PDGA rules committee. It might be under discussions elsewhere that I am not aware of.

Thank you, this is what I was trying to find out!

 

[Cgkdisc]

Jump putting looks stupid and unprofessional. Step putting can be done completely behind the mini.

As unprofessional looking as those 3-point jump shots in basketball?

 

[Jay Dub]

As unprofessional looking as those 3-point jump shots in basketball?

I'm pretty sure the 3 point in basketball requires the shooter to land behind the line after the shot.
So no, worse.

 

[autocrosscrx]

I'm pretty sure the 3 point in basketball requires the shooter to land behind the line after the shot.
So no.

That actually isn't true.

Some of the buzzer beaters look like a Nikko jump putt where the player is almost to the basket when it goes in.

 

[Jay Dub]

I was wrong about the 3 pointer, jump putts still need to go.
Of course it won't ever matter because of the "rule nazi" attitude in disc golf.

 

[ru4por]

By you wanting to keep the basket the same, you have already accepted that the pros play on different baskets.

There is a certain strike zone where just about 99% of putts will catch on every basket. With the lack of uniformity in the baskets the pros use, any putt outside that strike zone have a different chance of catching. You have already accepted this.

Where your creativity and thoughts end, mine continues. What im suggesting is already happening on a small less noticable way.

So its a matter of practicality..i get it, hauling around a small set of baskets to every pro tour event can be expensive and time consuming....

Well, covid has just shot a huge amount of money into disc golf. Jeff spring (or whatever his name is) travels to all these tournies anyway. Your saying he cant pull behind a small trailer or hire someone to pull a small trailer of pro level thin baskets to his events?

That the idea of that cant happen?

If disc golf continues to grow at the rate it is, the money will allow for all types of unpractical changes.

This idea to take away jump putts is terrible. You are taking away the only entertaining part of putting.

Just walk down this thought process with me. Its a fun walk, just hold my hand and we can make this game better....together (heart emoji)

Though the offer of kindness is appreciated. I think this issue has been put to bed some time ago. I am sticking by a firm no, to changing 36 baskets, a dozen times a year for my club's tournaments. Or my dozen or so local courses.

I am sure, if you want to keep on flogging the mare, you will find a guy interested here. :thmbup:

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136565&highlight=smaller+baskets

Sorry for entertaining the drift, back to the rarely discussed topic of jump putting.

 

[Agricolae]

I don't with a number of them even by good pro players in real speed on camera are clearly foot faulting. Then MJ picking up the mini/lie before he is supposed to on most missed or knowing they are going to miss putter shots in the 34 foot circle, before the disc comes to rest or is declared OB by the rules in place for the tournament and PDGA rules too.

If you were to call someone for picking up their mini too fast, which rule would you cite?

If MJ is picking up his mini too fast all he is doing is forfeiting his right to rethrow with a penalty from his previous lie. That's on him IF he is doing what you are saying. What else are you aaying he is doing? Making it impossible to call him on a foot faukt?

So, while there might not be a penalty (there is not) for picking up the mini too fast, you say that doing so would cause the player to forfeit his previous lie and prevent them from opting to abandon the throw (809.01a) on a throw that lands OB or in an otherwise undesirable area? Can you cite the rule for that? I don't think there is one.

 

[Dingus]

The practical problem I have with a C2 jump putt rule is that eyeballing and walking off C2 is FAR tougher than walking off C1. For DGPT this isn't an issue, they mark it off with flags, but for other events it could be a huge issue. Right now I can fairly easily walk off my 13 paces which I know is roughly C1, double that to 26 paces and I am willing to bet the inaccuracy gets out of hand.

Imagine getting the obligatory "Am I outside?" question on an unmarked green and having to make the call on whether you are inside our outside of C2. It is sometimes tough enough with C1, can't even imagine C2.

 

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[ToddL]

Just to be clear. This is not currently being discussed by the PDGA rules committee. It might be under discussions elsewhere that I am not aware of.

I haven't heard any chatter about it through any official channels in the PDGA.

I guess people are always talking about it on the internet, but there's nothing new about that.

 

[oldmandiscer]

The practical problem I have with a C2 jump putt rule is that eyeballing and walking off C2 is FAR tougher than walking off C1. For DGPT this isn't an issue, they mark it off with flags, but for other events it could be a huge issue. Right now I can fairly easily walk off my 13 paces which I know is roughly C1, double that to 26 paces and I am willing to bet the inaccuracy gets out of hand.

Imagine getting the obligatory "Am I outside?" question on an unmarked green and having to make the call on whether you are inside our outside of C2. It is sometimes tough enough with C1, can't even imagine C2.

Especially now you are bringing in even more woods and other obstacles (how can I walk it off when I can't even see the guy). The game has to progress with the skill level of the pro's but we are stuck with a basket from 1975. The basket clearly is too large and this large basket era has been creating numerous problems like-

-18 under par rounds (for the casual outsider that can look ridiculous)
-Raised baskets (Incongruent and also causes more spit outs and cut throughs)
-Artificial OB and especially it's overuse (it doesn't look good first of all, second it is not many if not most times equitable to how a throw was performed)
-Lack of fairways creating a massive luck factor (if I want to gamble I can go to a casino)

The result has diminished skillful play. Has made disc golf many times either boring to watch or just silly. I just see walls of trees, no true fairway. I want to see the best players challenged yet be able to pull the shots off sometimes. The current trend has been a disaster in my opinion.

 

[Dingus]

-18 under par rounds (for the casual outsider that can look ridiculous)
-Raised baskets (Incongruent and also causes more spit outs and cut throughs)
-Artificial OB and especially it's overuse (it doesn't look good first of all, second it is not many if not most times equitable to how a throw was performed)
-Lack of fairways creating a massive luck factor (if I want to gamble I can go to a casino)

So let me get their straight, putting is too easy and low rounds are bad, but fairways aren't clear enough and only "lucky" players can miss trees?? The amazing thing about watching pros throw is just how lucky they get on wooded courses. It is almost as if they are TRYING to miss the trees!

 

[ru4por]

Especially now you are bringing in even more woods and other obstacles (how can I walk it off when I can't even see the guy). The game has to progress with the skill level of the pro's but we are stuck with a basket from 1975. The basket clearly is too large and this large basket era has been creating numerous problems like-

-18 under par rounds (for the casual outsider that can look ridiculous)
-Raised baskets (Incongruent and also causes more spit outs and cut throughs)
-Artificial OB and especially it's overuse (it doesn't look good first of all, second it is not many if not most times equitable to how a throw was performed)
-Lack of fairways creating a massive luck factor (if I want to gamble I can go to a casino)

The result has diminished skillful play. Has made disc golf many times either boring to watch or just silly. I just see walls of trees, no true fairway. I want to see the best players challenged yet be able to pull the shots off sometimes. The current trend has been a disaster in my opinion.

So let me get their straight, putting is too easy and low rounds are bad, but fairways aren't clear enough and only "lucky" players can miss trees?? The amazing thing about watching pros throw is just how lucky they get on wooded courses. It is almost as if they are TRYING to miss the trees!

Here you go guys. Please feel free to whack this stallion here.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3648290#post3648290

 

[Hampstead]

I'd be a fan of a jump/step putt ban.

 

[Emoney]

Though the offer of kindness is appreciated. I think this issue has been put to bed some time ago. I am sticking by a firm no, to changing 36 baskets, a dozen times a year for my club's tournaments. Or my dozen or so local courses.

I am sure, if you want to keep on flogging the mare, you will find a guy interested here. :thmbup:

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136565&highlight=smaller+baskets

Sorry for entertaining the drift, back to the rarely discussed topic of jump putting.

Are you part of the dgpt tour? Do you run one of those events?

And i believe the reason to get rid of jump putts in circle 2 , is trying to have the same affect as my suggestion.

Both of the ideas have a common goal. Thats why it will be part of any discussion that affects putting.

In my humble opinion. It will suck to get rid of circle 2 jump putts. I feel the majority do not want that.

And yes, i will leave this alone...but i guarantee it will not be put to bed. It will be a reality in my life time