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This is why I get angry about content creators and complain. This is the stuff as to why I make a big deal out of coaches as a community talking about things.
FFS this just irritates me. I GET what the idea is they are trying to present, but it needs to stop because its a falsehood to begin with.
Alright, video one here is Robby kind of click baiting you on grip then talking about how mike asked him to basically death grip the disc to throw. He starts talking about it around the 11:20 mark. Cause... I guess time stamps dont work with the board tag for the inline video.
We should never, ever encourage the term grip lock, or tell people that they need to look for that grip lock feel.
People need to stop being allowed to make the excuse "i grip locked it."
No, you didn't grip lock it. You set your body up to throw EXACTLY where the disc came out of your hand.
You didn't plant properly, you didn't get your shoulders back into the swing, then you somehow managed to actually get your kinetic chain to hit at the right time with the bad form. Which this causes me some other annoyances from the 3rd video.
I really wish when people made video's like this one, because the rest of the video is great, but I think the warning should have came at the start from Mike before the content of what he had him do.
Cause.. it's kind of weird, mike essentially says "I rarely have anyone do this, especially if I'm not there." And Robby is making a video publicly about it, so put the warning first to let people know, vs content and talking, what it did, then "oh, by the way be careful doing this." ... you know.
After everyone has already stopped watching cause the video is so long.
Then Josh here comes in on it. And I was gonna try and be done with this. Because I get upset with Josh because I project how I learn and how I feel about coaching onto him and expect him to do it like I would or many of us in here would.
As in.
Discuss the topic with others for validity. Especially if you're still lower on the overall scale of form theory and disc golf coaching in general. He'll get there, but ... I just keep projecting my need to talk to others to learn faster and better onto him expecting him to be intelligent enough to do it. ffs. Anyways. Sorry.
"what were looking for is an on time grip lock"
No. ****ing no. What people claim is grip lock is not grip lock and its just bad form.
Okay okay.
The idea and point of all of this is simple. You're trying to instill the idea of the "feeling" of what people think is grip locking into a proper throw.
But you're lying to people about what grip lock is, and that's the issue.
It's your timing coming together properly really late because you set your body up poorly to throw on the line you intended. Period.
Grip lock is SOOOO rare, it can happen, but its SOOO rare its practically not even worth talking about.
So, Robby and Josh are friends. So I'm guessing that Robby took it up with Josh to see what he thought. Cause.. They are friends and trust each other. Which make sense.
I'd be asking like 15 people about their thoughts, not just 1 guy who .. well. Has less knowledge on the subject than a majority of us chatting in here on a "casual" basis.
So I'm guessing this is the idea they came up with "grip lock can be good" and "you want to grip lock on target"
No, stop saying grip lock. Stop it.
Then these guys. Ugh.
What a lot of people have happen when they claim grip lock is bad hip setup and really bad rounding issues.
I see 2 main issues for late releases, Bad plant with a bad shoulder turn, so, what you do is all the correct mechanics, but you dont commit to any of them, so with your open to target stance, and your shoulder turn going half way, your body actually weight shifts properly for once and you send the disc down the target line with odly good form because all the timing things come together properly despite .. technically being bad form, but its good form.
Or, the classic rounding issue because you're rounding and all sorts of other things that the power to finally get the disc out happens way late, because you're never creating that snap effect until your body can no longer rotate and it has to snap the disc.
So now were into discussing "rounding is good" and "Grip locking is good."
Maybe I'm just the d-bag for wanting people to talk about things properly and stop lying to themselves and other students/players about what stuff is.
Use the correct language and stop letting people have these excuses.
"Oh i grip locked it"
No, you didn't commit to your shot for crap and thats where you aimed it with your body.
Thats why it came out like a bat out of hell.
FFS this just irritates me. I GET what the idea is they are trying to present, but it needs to stop because its a falsehood to begin with.
Alright, video one here is Robby kind of click baiting you on grip then talking about how mike asked him to basically death grip the disc to throw. He starts talking about it around the 11:20 mark. Cause... I guess time stamps dont work with the board tag for the inline video.
We should never, ever encourage the term grip lock, or tell people that they need to look for that grip lock feel.
People need to stop being allowed to make the excuse "i grip locked it."
No, you didn't grip lock it. You set your body up to throw EXACTLY where the disc came out of your hand.
You didn't plant properly, you didn't get your shoulders back into the swing, then you somehow managed to actually get your kinetic chain to hit at the right time with the bad form. Which this causes me some other annoyances from the 3rd video.
I really wish when people made video's like this one, because the rest of the video is great, but I think the warning should have came at the start from Mike before the content of what he had him do.
Cause.. it's kind of weird, mike essentially says "I rarely have anyone do this, especially if I'm not there." And Robby is making a video publicly about it, so put the warning first to let people know, vs content and talking, what it did, then "oh, by the way be careful doing this." ... you know.
After everyone has already stopped watching cause the video is so long.
Then Josh here comes in on it. And I was gonna try and be done with this. Because I get upset with Josh because I project how I learn and how I feel about coaching onto him and expect him to do it like I would or many of us in here would.
As in.
Discuss the topic with others for validity. Especially if you're still lower on the overall scale of form theory and disc golf coaching in general. He'll get there, but ... I just keep projecting my need to talk to others to learn faster and better onto him expecting him to be intelligent enough to do it. ffs. Anyways. Sorry.
"what were looking for is an on time grip lock"
No. ****ing no. What people claim is grip lock is not grip lock and its just bad form.
Okay okay.
The idea and point of all of this is simple. You're trying to instill the idea of the "feeling" of what people think is grip locking into a proper throw.
But you're lying to people about what grip lock is, and that's the issue.
It's your timing coming together properly really late because you set your body up poorly to throw on the line you intended. Period.
Grip lock is SOOOO rare, it can happen, but its SOOO rare its practically not even worth talking about.
So, Robby and Josh are friends. So I'm guessing that Robby took it up with Josh to see what he thought. Cause.. They are friends and trust each other. Which make sense.
I'd be asking like 15 people about their thoughts, not just 1 guy who .. well. Has less knowledge on the subject than a majority of us chatting in here on a "casual" basis.
So I'm guessing this is the idea they came up with "grip lock can be good" and "you want to grip lock on target"
No, stop saying grip lock. Stop it.
Then these guys. Ugh.
What a lot of people have happen when they claim grip lock is bad hip setup and really bad rounding issues.
I see 2 main issues for late releases, Bad plant with a bad shoulder turn, so, what you do is all the correct mechanics, but you dont commit to any of them, so with your open to target stance, and your shoulder turn going half way, your body actually weight shifts properly for once and you send the disc down the target line with odly good form because all the timing things come together properly despite .. technically being bad form, but its good form.
Or, the classic rounding issue because you're rounding and all sorts of other things that the power to finally get the disc out happens way late, because you're never creating that snap effect until your body can no longer rotate and it has to snap the disc.
So now were into discussing "rounding is good" and "Grip locking is good."
Maybe I'm just the d-bag for wanting people to talk about things properly and stop lying to themselves and other students/players about what stuff is.
Use the correct language and stop letting people have these excuses.
"Oh i grip locked it"
No, you didn't commit to your shot for crap and thats where you aimed it with your body.
Thats why it came out like a bat out of hell.
